Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Allegor]

Idk how you think i resent them when i’m literally just giving out facts? I’m literally in defense of them for not getting the hairstyles they promised. People have said how they can be fixed or have asked SE for any semblance of knowledge on how theyre being taken into consideration with no response.

Oh I was responding to you but not talking 'about' you specifically (if that makes sense?). In short, my point is we can all agree both races have their flaws that should be addressed without needlessly wandering into "Hrothgars -as a race- were a waste" territory.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Oh I was responding to you but not talking 'about' you specifically (if that makes sense?). In short, my point is we can all agree both races have their flaws that should be addressed without needlessly wandering into "Hrothgars -as a race- were a waste" territory.

I personally don’t think they were a “waste” as much as they were just poorly done. I feel for the players that were expecting ronso from 10 and instead we got what we got. In my opinion although it would absolutely never happen, they should just prioritize fixing the engine and then just completely revamp both of the races. It would be better for both the races and the overall game. I didn’t think you were talking about me btw that was toward someone else xD

[KizuyaKatogami]

Dude, you're saying Hrothgar should have never have existed because then Viera wouldn't have problems. That's pretty big resentment. I know because I feel the same thing about how if Viera never existed in this game, then Hrothgar would have had better customization, use of all helms, and a female variant.

But there's no point in complaining about what has happened, all we can do is hope the dev team adds the missing genders for next expansion along with the helm usage and better customization, because both races are here to stay.

It goes both ways. If viera didn’t exist then hrothgar could be fixed. I’m not bias against either or, just saying what i think.That’s why i said they should’ve just picked one. What they really could’ve done was be communicative with their playerbase(rare i know.) They could’ve held a poll of some kind and said hey. This is how it is, would you rather have two races, but both are gender locked and can’t wear most headgear? Or one full race and we’ll look into the other race sometime in the future. That way the playerbase itself could have a voice for once and help in the decision-making. It’s the one time i’d argue the playerbase’s opinion could actually matter greatly! Yes it’s already done but i don’t think it’s a waste to keep talking about it. It’s good for them to see people are passionate about it.

[Lauront]

I also mind, I've been very critical about the way they put out both races and left them to rot for going on 2 years soon.

But I don't believe for a second they would have made additional customization for other races or any of the other things you mentioned had they not done Hrothgar, they would simply allocated the time elsewhere like they did in Stormblood.

Part of the weirdness of it all probably has to do with uncertainty over what lifespan the game would have. They seem a lot more confident about it now, based on his comments in recent interviews and the announcement event. I do think they bit off a lot more than they could chew in 5.0, and that, along with all the other difficult things to add, it cemented their resolve to upgrade the engine. An MMO with a further 5-10 years to go after EW isn't going to be well served by the current engine. However, I don't expect we'll see any new engine until 7.0 at the earliest, at which point completing the current races may become viable as a knock-on effect. Perhaps he'll surprise us at the next Fanfest, but tying it to whenever the engine is upgraded will mean it is more cost-efficient.

[Yencat]

Part of the weirdness of it all probably has to do with uncertainty over what lifespan the game would have. They seem a lot more confident about it now, based on his comments in recent interviews and the announcement event. I do think they bit off a lot more than they could chew in 5.0, and that, along with all the other difficult things to add, it cemented their resolve to upgrade the engine. An MMO with a further 5-10 years to go after EW isn't going to be well served by the current engine. However, I don't expect we'll see any new engine until 7.0 at the earliest, at which point completing the current races may become viable as a knock-on effect. Perhaps he'll surprise us at the next Fanfest, but tying it to whenever the engine is upgraded will mean it is more cost-efficient.

Considering the pace they do things at and the fact they've only recently "started looking into it" even 7.0 might be optimistic, call me cynical but it's hard to gauge when he's paying lipservice or being genuine at this point.

I agree it'll be necessary sooner rather than later and would be a boon even for the devs, but I don't get a sense of urgency from them about it just yet.

I just hope they don't leave Viera and Hrothgar hanging until this alleged engine upgrade, that'd really be something.

[Lauront]

Indeed, if it's not 7.0, it will be a long wait...

[MikkoAkure]

At the end of the day, one of the reasons that 1.0 was considered to be a flop was due to the presence of gender locked playable races. Yoshi-P acknowledged that and added the gender locked playable races in full when 2.0 was launched.

It didn't take him long to backtrack, though - I've posted it a few times already across this thread, but in an old interview he stated that if viera were to be added to the game, they'd be gender locked and some other single gender race would be added to compensate for the lack of viera men.

Surprise, surprise...that's exactly what ended up happening years later...almost as if it wasn't an authentic attempt to 'compromise' at all and something that was planned for a while.

My guess is that he didn't expect the demand for male viera to be quite so strong, or the backlash to be as fierce. Though either way it's worrying because it's not the only element of character customisation where things have been lost in translation. For example, despite being a very common and popular request he claimed to be 'unaware' that there was a demand for facial hair for male characters.

Which is strange...because he's in charge of FFXVI and designed the protagonist to have facial hair after the time-skip and all the promotional footage involving FFXIV's Warrior of Light/Darkness has had custom made stubble lately...

I was in 1.0 and there were a million and a half reasons why it was a disaster but the genderlocked races/clans were never really mentioned. I remember a topic on the forums mentioning wanting roegadyn women because of a quest item in the game that was a coin with a roe gal on it but that was pretty much it. There was no long page demanding male miqo'te or anything else like there is with male viera. Yoshi P announcing that they're actually coming and then opening them up was a very welcome surprise for ARR, but it wasn't something that was being really clamored for.

Whenever I see the whole 1.0 situation brought up it feels like either they weren't there and are misattributing current feelings for male viera onto the situation 10 years ago, or I somehow missed the forum discussion and was in circles of people who just didn't care as much. But still, saying that genderlocked races were a part of why 1.0 was a failure is like saying that your floor lamp doesn't match the rest of your living room set when your house only has 3 walls and half a roof.

[WhiteArchmage]

I was in 1.0 and there were a million and a half reasons why it was a disaster but the genderlocked races/clans were never really mentioned. I remember a topic on the forums mentioning wanting roegadyn women because of a quest item in the game that was a coin with a roe gal on it but that was pretty much it. There was no long page demanding male miqo'te or anything else like there is with male viera. Yoshi P announcing that they're actually coming and then opening them up was a very welcome surprise for ARR, but it wasn't something that was being really clamored for.

Whenever I see the whole 1.0 situation brought up it feels like either they weren't there and are misattributing current feelings for male viera onto the situation 10 years ago, or I somehow missed the forum discussion and was in circles of people who just didn't care as much. But still, saying that genderlocked races were a part of why 1.0 was a failure is like saying that your floor lamp doesn't match the rest of your living room set when your house only has 3 walls and half a roof.

You didn't see it. Just a cursory search on 1.0's archive for gender locks and male miqo'te and I found a request thread with 148 pages asking for male Miqo'te, Thighlanders and Roegadames. another requesting no Single-Sex races (especifically saying "If you aren't comfortable with having bunny boys in your game, then don't add bunny girls.")

And just for funsies: About if people would change to catboys one post says: "I'll only switch when Vieras are available." (It being in a thread about MALE MIQO'TE, the implication being to switch to a MALE VIERA, in 2012)

[Theodric]

I know a lot of people - myself included - who never bothered to check out FFXI due to the presence of gender locked playable races. To me, it just felt like a tacky concept and still does to this day.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I know a lot of people - myself included - who never bothered to check out FFXI due to the presence of gender locked playable races. To me, it just felt like a tacky concept and still does to this day.

Sounds like a very superficial way to look at a videogame. As if you dont care about the game itself.

--I thought you already dismissed those as humans with bunny ears and weird feet?
--Not sure what the last part is all about... people don't have to like them.

--When did I dismiss them? They are in fact a Human-looking race with Bunny ears and Weird feet, so Whats your point? Do you just not have an answer to my question about why people want them so badly in FFXIV? If variety alone isn't a reason to put something in, then why do people want them so badly?
--Of course you don't, it wasn't even aimed at you.