Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[KizuyaKatogami]

Wut? This is looking at race-gender combos, Hrothgar are NOT a "full race" seeing as they are only male. It would be stupid to compare them to full races when there is no female option.

Okay but that still makes them hella rare even compared to those ones. That’s not changing the fact that they are indeed rare. Yes they added “variety” but the cost of that variety does not seem anywhere near worth it for the amount of people that actually play them.

[WhiteArchmage]

Also of note, Yoshi-P outright stated that Hrothgar was the race they WANTED to make (yes, this stings as a Viera supporter, but what're you gonna do?) so the whole "wouldn't be popular" thing is kind of moot. The devs will make the races they WANT to make, HOW they want them.

Also, funny how Viera has been described as "Elezen done right" while it's been joked/stated that Hrothgar decimated the Male Roe population. Those are both in the "least popular gender/race combo" list and even then, Hroth surpasses Roegabros. Little more fuel to the "devs will design as they please" thing.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Also of note, Yoshi-P outright stated that Hrothgar was the race they WANTED to make (yes, this stings as a Viera supporter, but what're you gonna do?) so the whole "wouldn't be popular" thing is kind of moot. The devs will make the races they WANT to make, HOW they want them.

Also, funny how Viera has been described as "Elezen done right" while it's been joked/stated that Hrothgar decimated the Male Roe population. Those are both in the "least popular gender/race combo" list and even then, Hroth surpasses Roegabros. Little more fuel to the "devs will design as they please" thing.

Yes which is part of the problem tbh. If the devs wanted to make it then good, make it. They should’ve just made hrothgar a full race instead of adding genderlocks in 2019. That way maybe they wouldn’t actually be limited on headgear and hair and they could focus on viera for next expansion. The fact yoshi p wanted a beast race so much yet doesn’t even play it when it’s release speaks mega volumes lmao.

[Allegor]

Yes which is part of the problem tbh. If the devs wanted to make it then good, make it. They should’ve just made hrothgar a full race instead of adding genderlocks in 2019. That way maybe they wouldn’t actually be limited on headgear and hair and they could focus on viera for next expansion. The fact yoshi p wanted a beast race so much yet doesn’t even play it when it’s release speaks mega volumes lmao.

You're missing the part that they're potentially the last race added and that's why they made half and half, so if they had made both Hrothgar genders there's a high chance there wouldn't be Viera at all.

[Theodric]

Wut? This is looking at race-gender combos, Hrothgar are NOT a "full race" seeing as they are only male. It would be stupid to compare them to full races when there is no female option.

I think that it's a safe bet that female hrothgar are going to be a niche option. When I played WoW and ESO, I noticed that the more beastly races were far less popular than the better looking playable races. Furthermore, when it came to the beast races the male counterparts were more common than their female counterparts. I don't expect that to play out any differently where FFXIV is concerned.

It remains to be seen if they're even added to the game in the first place, of course.

The closest thing the game has to a female character model with unconventional aesthetics takes the form of female roegadyn. A race and gender combination that consistently shows up as the least played option overall.

Ultimately, though, this particular line of discussion is better suited to the female hrothgar thread. I haven't seen it in a while - whatever happened to it?

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I don't consider "variety" alone a particularly strong reason to add anything

..............Then what is the Point of Viera, much less Male Viera being put into the game, and why are they requested?
...If not...Variety?..

When that “variety” comes at the cost of many other things, there’s a problem. It’s an especially bigger problem when that race is barely played. It’s not about whether you see them or not, there’s data to support the fact they’re the least played by far. You’re right in that we got variety. We got variety in half baked races that can’t even wear new headgear or use new hairstyles or have gotten the hairstyles they were oh so promised beforehand.

Hrothgar being put into the game didnt cost it anything; in context to "Thanks to Hrothgar, we dont have this now"
Just because its the least played still doesn't mean it was a waste of time.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I think that it's a safe bet that female hrothgar are going to be a niche option. When I played WoW and ESO, I noticed that the more beastly races were far less popular than the better looking playable races.

So...not like it was ever a secret, but way to just show you have an outright bias against beast races mate.
You do you and all that jazz but....lol man.

[Shin96]

I support people that want female Hrothgar and Male Viera. We are used to getting both genders for every race so it makes sense they want that to be the case for both.

However, they should first focus on pre-existing races, particularly the recent ones. Vieras haven't gotten a single hairstyle since 5.0, as of now the priorities need to be shifted on what's attainable for both races before they commit and divert more resources for the other two genders, potentially creating the same scenario as it currently is.

[reivaxe]

Okay but that still makes them hella rare even compared to those ones. That’s not changing the fact that they are indeed rare. Yes they added “variety” but the cost of that variety does not seem anywhere near worth it for the amount of people that actually play them.

Wut are you talking about?

I listed them that way because that's the order from least played to most of what I would consider the "not very popular" options. Of those options the only ones more popular than Hrothgar are Male Highlander and Male Elezen. To whine about cost with them would be the same as whining about the cost of like 1/3 the roster of options in this game.

Also ... cost? Let's do some thinking. Why do you add in a new race? To add diversity/ variety and make the game more appealing to a larger audience. Numbers wise when SHB came out the number of players jumped up. Of the males only Male Roe took a small drop in numbers because of Hrothgar, every other race's male numbers went up because the number of people playing went up. For females though? EVERY race's female numbers dropped regardless of the massive increase in players. This tells you that numerous Hrothgar are new to the game whereas many Viera are people who already played this game and converted. This was literally the reason they were added, Hrothgar were added to draw in Western MMO fans that like Beast Races/ non-weeb-s^^^ (AKA, WoW players) and Viera were added to please people who already play.
Tis why they're a success no matter how you look at it.

2 years of however many 10s of 1000s of new players playing this p2p game because of Hrothgar is pretty worth to SE. If all they wanted to do was sell potions to the player base all they would have to do is make a 3rd human Clan for half elezens where they're just Meddies with Elezen ears and maybe cleaner faces and nothing else. Boom, I could easily see 50k half elezen girls running around.

I think that it's a safe bet that female hrothgar are going to be a niche option.

I'mma stop you right there, we have no clue what they would do with female Hrothgar and given the last full race they made and the general backlash to the head/ hair options they've gotten it's completely with in reason to think that they may go a different, more conventionally human looking direction for the females. And even if they do make them furry, everything in this game and how they design females points to the devs making them as attractive as possible with w/e design goal they have in mind.

Making the assumption we know what people would play what based on w/e is in the game right now is as silly as people who actually said years ago that "Viera wouldn't be popular! People who play FF14 like short, cute girls ... just look at how many people play the tall females and compare them to the number of cat girls!". (Like, yeah, looking at the numbers and taking them at face value you could say that before SHB came out because there's no real reason to think a tall-skinny female human with bunny ears would be THAT much more popular than 1 with elf ears. It's perfectly within reason to think Female Hrothgar could be more popular than any non-Viera tall female option or more popular than the decently popular Male Hrothgar depending on the design path the devs take.)

It's completely up to them how "popular" or appealing they design Female Hrothgar to be so there's no real point in making assumptions for a silly argument over numbers that mean nothing to anyone who isn't a SE stockholder. SE will do w/e they think is best for them and the game. If they decided to make female furries to appeal to other WoW players that don't like to play human looking races then so be it, I'm sure much like the males they will find decent popularity in the roster and bring in people who don't currently play.

[Lauront]

Also of note, Yoshi-P outright stated that Hrothgar was the race they WANTED to make (yes, this stings as a Viera supporter, but what're you gonna do?) so the whole "wouldn't be popular" thing is kind of moot. The devs will make the races they WANT to make, HOW they want them.

Also, funny how Viera has been described as "Elezen done right" while it's been joked/stated that Hrothgar decimated the Male Roe population. Those are both in the "least popular gender/race combo" list and even then, Hroth surpasses Roegabros. Little more fuel to the "devs will design as they please" thing.

To me it is rather clear why they overtook Roebros - they are competing in a very similar body type niche, and they look better than the existing option. However, the point about them making more money out of it is the one I am putting into question. It doesn't necessarily follow that they will and we don't even know if they have when their considerable costs are factored in. This goes for female Viera too but their figures were considerably better at 12% and then 8-9% of the playerbase. People can speculate as to whether or not they did, but without any figures on the matter, we don't know, and as a simple matter of logic, it isn't always going to be the case.

I've no problem with them making what they want to make (even though I think in part it's motivated by what they thought appealed to potential WoW refugees), but I personally don't consider variety to be intrinsically good, i.e. being 'different' in and of itself isn't necessarily good. The race has to have other appealing characteristics to me beyond just being different. I wasn't too keen on their departure from Ronso and how they implemented them. I don't really mind if, in the future, they introduce Ivalician moogles (which I'd have preferred to Lalas in all honesty), Banga, Seeq, Burmecians, even Aegyl (although some would say they're too human-like), provided we see the existing races receive an overhaul to their customisation options and textures, but that would all be in the context of an improved engine that would reduce the costs of doing so.

..............Then what is the Point of Viera, much less Male Viera being put into the game, and why are they requested?
...If not...Variety?..

I thought you already dismissed those as humans with bunny ears and weird feet?

So...not like it was ever a secret, but way to just show you have an outright bias against beast races mate.
You do you and all that jazz but....lol man.

Not sure what the last part is all about... people don't have to like them.