RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[Awha]

Nor should they be. A minor is a minor and under the law is a victim in sexual related crimes. It doesn't matter if the victim is a prostitute. He or she is a minor and more than likely in that instance is also a victim of trafficking. Adults know better and adults are the ones who use weasel words and phrases and what ifs to try and get out of trouble when they get caught doing something with a minor that is illegal.

And while I get where you are trying to go with the non-neurotypical adult - that's still not going to fly if the non-neurotypical adult can handle day to day things for themselves and know right from wrong. (I have non-neurotypical family members - I know how this works.) Besides that, if the minor is a victim - I promise you it doesn't matter to that minor of the adult was a non-neurotypical adult or a neurotypical adult - the damage to the minor is the same.

I'm sorry, these posts are now starting to make me angry so this will probably be my last one. They are making me angry because it's getting to the point of victim shaming.

Thing is what I am saying goes beyond understanding right or wrong a person can understand the difference but if the engagement was built on a lie should the person who believed said lie really be solely responsible? We have the considerations for contracts which offer a level of forgiveness and without always having to go through a plethora of hoops to prove a certain degree of lack of capacity.

If someone is found lying about the information before a contract is agreed upon I do believe that voids the contract. From a social aspect of someone engages with someone under the premise that someone is something else I do think across the board it should be taken into,consideration no matter the age. One does not have to have serve development defiences to believe what someone tells them. Now if someone engages after knowing the truth then that is a different ball game.

Sure that is a valid point, but it is moot because it is a false equivalence.

The problem here is interacting with people that are minors.. No minor is ever going to report you, and nor would a case go anywhere unless you minor explicitly revealed their age to you.

So let's look at a hypothetical situation. Minor lies about their age or doesn't reveal it and the venue is of 18+ then the probability; minor isn't going to report you, and if they do nothing would come of the situation, more than likely because there was no level of mutual understanding. Legally, you'd actually be protected under this premise to my limited understanding.

Now if this hypothetical situation were to extend further, and the minor then later revealed their age to you, this is the moment that you would be under obligation to warn the person of their actions and the consequences therein, and then tell the child you cannot go further, alongside potentially cutting contact with them, and telling them you can no longer engage in online solicitation. The premise of your communication will have been formed on misinformation and deliberate. However, this would be the cut-off point in which an individual should understand their actions and that proceeding further is likely to get you in trouble for online solicitation with someone not of appropriate age. The basis with which your communication was formed probably won't matter, but further continuing that communication would matter. This is more than likely what you'd be judged upon.

Jesus Christ. I'm not even sure how I should dignify it with a response, but again it goes back to the whole, you're part of a collective society thus you have as much responsibility as anyone else in the society to do your part, irrespective of what circumstance may otherwise dictate. If you qualify for certain circumstances, then you'll get them, which covers those that would otherwise need additional consideration. But irrespective of this you still should be tried accordingly, with the only differentiation being you're put into a mental institution as opposed to a prison. Everything else, you should be tried as an adult, because it correctly and accurately represents you as a member of a functioning society.

It's impractical from a social construct perspective, but it is also a disservice to those around you, and a massive disservice to yourself; even if you may feel contrary to this -- because it doesn't accurately convey the gravity of their actions, consequentially speaking. As a child, I was ever a problem child, and regularly had meetings with a psychiatrist. -- The biggest and best wakeup call I had from her is when she told me my actions had consequences, and then further aided this point by telling me if my behavior were to continue into adulthood then anything I do, would be done as an adult, and thus tried as such.

I have already mentioned that in terms of erp I am in agreement. Cause it is a game with an established age rating and that should be by In far a red flag for anymore. My stance was a product of people that mentioned the broader legal ramifications for outside the game when it comes to minors and adults interacting. My stance is all forms of context need to taken into a consideration and in terms of more complex interactions between lying minors and adults the burden is largely placed on the adult even if In their eyes and understanding the situation was between two consententing adults. By in large maybe they can get legal considerations but the social consideration are not very common. Damage is done that is why I say we need to look at everything to make it fair across the board.

Hope that clears it up not best at exampling things as I said not the brightest bulb.

[Divinemights]

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If someone is found lying about the information before a contract is agreed upon I do believe that voids the contract. From a social aspect of someone engages with someone under the premise that someone is something else I do think across the board it should be taken into,consideration no matter the age. One does not have to have serve development defiences to believe what someone tells them. Now if someone engages after knowing the truth then that is a different ball game.

You are already being answered.
It doesn't matter.
ERP is a reportable offense as game is not rated M.
GM is not police or any legal institution to figure that out.
Their only job is someone clearly broke the ToS and ERP and they action on it.
That is it, it is not rocket science

You don't own your account or your character, SE does.
You are only paying subscription fee to gain access to their digital properties
You don't follow the rules you signed for, you get banned.

It may not be significant in Western, but in Eastern if any company is associated with crime involves children, the company is going to down with it.
That laughable "Are you 18 years old?" don't even matter.

[Awha]

You are already being answered.
It doesn't matter.
ERP is a reportable offense as game is not rated M.
GM is not police or any legal institution to figure that out.
Their only job is someone clearly broke the ToS and ERP and they action on it.
That is it, it is not rocket science

You don't own your account or your character, SE does.
You are only paying subscription fee to gain access to their digital properties
You don't follow the rules you signed for, you get banned.

It may not be significant in Western, but in Eastern if any company is associated with crime involves children, the company is going to down with it.
That laughable "Are you 18 years old?" don't even matter.

I know I was never talking about erp in itself but the wide gambit of minor and adult interactions that can happen in this age of digital convenience . I only brought it up since someone else brought up legal ramifications I did not agree with. Cause as you mentioned generally being lied to about the age of someone generally is a moot point which I do not think should be a blanket stance and we should take it into consideration.

[Arillyn]

I know I was never talking about erp in itself but the wide gambit of minor and adult interactions that can happen in this age of digital convenience . I only brought it up since someone else brought up legal ramifications I did not agree with. Cause as you mentioned generally being lied to about the age of someone generally is a moot point which I do not think should be a blanket stance and we should take it into consideration.

Do something illegal with a minor and let us know what the judge says to you. There is a certain US politician under FBI investigation right now for this type of thing. This sounds like something he'd be trying to use to get out of trouble.

Done with this convo with you now.

You're wasting your time with this guy specifically on this issue. Take it from someone who has tried on multiple occasions.

And I know - you're right. I just couldn't let this one go. But seriously... I can't even.

[Awha]

Do something illegal with a minor and let us know what the judge says to you. There is a certain US politician under FBI investigation right now for this type of thing. This sounds like something he'd be trying to use to get out of trouble.

Done with this convo with you now.



And I know - you're right. I just couldn't let this one go. But seriously... I can't even.

I get that fear, I have seen it happen to someone close to me. They unfortunately were lied to about the age of someone, after they found out the real age they cut ties with said person. Sadly, the deed was done and their family got involved was a mess. The minor who lied even admitted that they lied and did so because they wanted to. Given their admission of lying and they did take into consideration the adults mental capacity. They did get a lighter sentence though sadly their life will be over once they are released and who also know what prison does to someone especially a non neurotypical.

I get they were naive and gullible for believing someone blindly. Either way I get people would try to misuse such a consideration but still I cannot shake that it was unfair. Granted this has nothing to do with erp but I hope you can see why I have a bias against just using blanket terms when it comes to adults because it would be misused.

Please note I am not saying that they are not without fault, but from a personal bias it does not sit well with me to see someone close to you life forever altered not for the better over a lie that just went on for far too long. Though I do respect them for when the truth came they cut ties and they accepted their punishment. They are far more mature then myself. From me pov he should not have been punished for someone lying to them. Though I get this is the society we live in though does not mean I have to agree with it.

Please note I do understand such a consider would be ripe for abuse. Though if it protects adults that are vulnerable I think it is worth it.

[Y2K21]

The solution here is dont ERP.

[NessaWyvern]

Why not just say it like it is. Responible adults have to protect minors from Irresponible adults.

True, but minors also have to be protected from other minors in certain situations too, so that’s why I made a broader statement.

[NessaWyvern]

I get that fear, I have seen it happen to someone close to me. They unfortunately were lied to about the age of someone, after they found out the real age they cut ties with said person. Sadly, the deed was done and their family got involved was a mess. The minor who lied even admitted that they lied and did so because they wanted to. Given their admission of lying and they did take into consideration the adults mental capacity. They did get a lighter sentence though sadly their life will be over once they are released and who also know what prison does to someone especially a non neurotypical.

I get they were naive and gullible for believing someone blindly. Either way I get people would try to misuse such a consideration but still I cannot shake that it was unfair. Granted this has nothing to do with erp but I hope you can see why I have a bias against just using blanket terms when it comes to adults because it would be misused.

I get ya. In those cases, it's up to the judges discretion to determine what the punishment should be.

People should probably do more educate other people to not take what someone says about their age at face value, and that if you’re unsure if they’re “old enough”, you shouldn’t go there.

But I can see how it might be hard for someone who is not neuro-typical to understand that. I guess in that circumstance he probably needed a neurotypical friend to keep an eye out for him, so he doesn’t fall into that trap.

[Shin96]

It's simple, just don't ERP. Problem solved.

It's against the ToS and Square Enix takes their reputation very seriously for good and legal reasons. And guess what? People lie all the time. About their age, occupation, height, etc. but if you take yourself seriously you avoid risking such a scenario to begin with. It's not hard to find a partner in real life if you put aside the awkardness and go hit a gym. I personally do not understand folks that use the internet for such things, especially in environements where age cannot be verified. Acting like a responsible adult isn't hard whatsoever, it just takes emotional maturity to put aside your primal urges to defend the integrity of whichever community you participate in.

[Awha]

I get ya. In those cases, it's up to the judges discretion to determine what the punishment should be.

People should probably do more educate other people to not take what someone says about their age at face value, and that if you’re unsure if they’re “old enough”, you shouldn’t go there.

But I can see how it might be hard for someone who is not neuro-typical to understand that. I guess in that circumstance he probably needed a neurotypical friend to keep an eye out for him, so he doesn’t fall into that trap.

Yeah, and overall I do see generally where everyone is coming from, and while I may not agree I do hope overall others understand where I am coming from also. It was a lesson learned due to seeing someone close go through that I am not very trusting of females which I get is silly, and also to do a degree rude of me to even lump everyone together with someone like that.

Either way I doubt many will understand which is fine, I just hope no one took what I said personally or thought I was being malicious or anything. I am not the best at conveying my thoughts so often times it comes rambling.