RP Party finders being reported AGAIN without so much as a reason.

[LittleImp]

I'd like to point out that the GM in question is a human being who is probably relying on this job to put food on the table to some degree.

Some of the people associated with this venue are spreading this misleading narrative with the end-goal of "Seeing the GM held accountable", as they've openly stated on twitter.

I want people to understand how harmful and terribly toxic this behavior is. Angered that their ToS breaking conduct was actioned appropriately, this group of people has turned to social media to attempt to spread lies and generate outrage that could damage the GM professionally, all over ingame roleplay.


There are a lot of legitimate criticisms of the games moderation policy, but singling out and trying to harm specific GMs for simply doing their jobs is just horrible.

[Jeeqbit]

I'd rather hear it from a GM than some random on the forum making a random guess.

It becomes less of a guess if we cannot identify keywords that are common to all of the adverts this happens to, but can identify what they are generally about.

We obviously aren't getting the answer from a GM so this analysis is the best we will probably get.

[Cerver]

I'd like to point out that the GM in question is a human being who is probably relying on this job to put food on the table to some degree.

Some of the people associated with this venue are spreading this misleading narrative with the end-goal of "Seeing the GM held accountable", as they've openly stated on twitter.

I want people to understand how harmful and terribly toxic this behavior is. Angered that their ToS breaking conduct was actioned appropriately, this group of people has turned to social media to attempt to spread lies and generate outrage that could damage the GM professionally, all over ingame roleplay.


There are a lot of legitimate criticisms of the games moderation policy, but singling out and trying to harm specific GMs for simply doing their jobs is just horrible.

I never want to see someone lose their job over anything unless its proven they cant do the job. I would 100% either:

A) Allow the GM to explain explicitly what broke the ToS and why people are being permanently labeled with strikes bringing them closer to a permaban (Remember, players are people too!)
B) If the GM dosent have a legitimate reason, have some kind of better training course for GMs so this dosent happen again.

[Kaurhz]

Imagine doing the same offense 3 times. Like for example, if you had a pet named Crackerjack and you called him Crack or Cracker, and GMs saw things out of context like "I have to go take care of my Crack problem" or "Crackers always annoying me when I play online games" and they got you in trouble over and over, never telling you why. If you were pointed to a single sentence or even the offending word youd be able to fix the issue, but in this brave new world of "Youre punished figure it out" you could do it over and over again because you'd obviously love your pet and want to talk about them.

Therefore you'd suffer a warning, suspension, and permanent ban for words that you never knew were taken the wrong way, nor would you likely ever figure out why you were punished in the first place.

If you aren't capable as an individual of learning after the very first offense, then it shows a clear disregard for the rules. Besides, this example you used is seriously melodramatic and not realistic. On the other hand, my point stands if you can't stop infringing on the ToS after your second offense then I really don't know what to say. I've been here since late 2.56, and I have not once been sent to jail.

If someone were truly clever and done their due diligence with the reading then you'd know the privacy policy explicitly states you may request data about you under a subject access request, and this does include ban issues. You'd also know they even conveniently give you an email to contact in order to request this information. Funny enough, if they receive it they're also obligated to handle the request in accordance with your region's law.

Many situations which people ironically bring up seem evident even to a third-party person. Let's take this thread, shall we- "However, I am at liberty to tell you it is due to certain aspects of your party finder." - "Soliciting your events is perfectly fine however, I can only suggest that you keep in mind the age rating of the game when doing so" - Seems pretty clear why they received the warning. Very clear.

I get players to have an issue with how vague some cases can be with GMs, but people seem to ride this narrative far too much, and in many cases no reason other than their own inability to reflect upon their actions in recent history.

[Alaray]

It becomes less of a guess if we cannot identify keywords that are common to all of the adverts this happens to, but can identify what they are generally about.

We obviously aren't getting the answer from a GM so this analysis is the best we will probably get.

The second sentence is quite, literally, the point of my criticism.

[Cerver]

If you aren't capable as an individual of learning after the very first offense, then it shows a clear disregard for the rules. Besides, this example you used is seriously melodramatic and not realistic. On the other hand, my point stands if you can't stop infringing on the ToS after your second offense then I really don't know what to say. I've been here since late 2.56, and I have not once been sent to jail.

If someone were truly clever and done their due diligence with the reading then you'd know the privacy policy explicitly states you may request data about you under a subject access request, and this does include ban issues. You'd also know they even conveniently give you an email to contact in order to request this information. Funny enough, if they receive it they're also obligated to handle the request in accordance with your region's law.

Many situations which people ironically bring up seem evident even to a third-party person. Let's take this thread, shall we- "However, I am at liberty to tell you it is due to certain aspects of your party finder." - "Soliciting your events is perfectly fine however, I can only suggest that you keep in mind the age rating of the game when doing so" - Seems pretty clear why they received the warning. Very clear.

I get players to have an issue with how vague some cases can be with GMs, but people seem to ride this narrative far too much, and in many cases no reason other than their own inability to reflect upon their actions in recent history.

So if I had a pet named Cracker, and I said "Crackers f***ing annoying sometimes" and when I am punished for saying that, I assume it was the F word and not the pets name, and say the pets name and get suspended, I am incapable of learning?

Also not everyone is going to take SE to court over a GM saying they said a naughty word.

Not to mention GMs are fine with banning you for stuff you did/said days (weeks maybe?) ago, so saying "figure it out" is pretty disingenuous and reductive. Comb through several days of memory, hundreds if not thousands of messages, dozens of party finders MENTALLY?

Yeah figure it out

[Rinhi]

They don't think they're slick, literally every other MMO has had this going on in it and XIV is no exception since ARR (And, to iterate: It's literally never been a problem like people here blow it out to be). There'd be less of an overall discussion about this if the GM's were actually clear about the specifics regarding the infractions, and regardless, these venues will continue whether you think removing some keywords from a PF spells the end of them. So it's a fight you're fighting for the GM's to remain obtuse and vague in every single instance (and there've been so many other instances outside of just this PF thing, it's just the most recent one) rather than requesting for them to be more clear going forward, and if no one really knows what specifically they might be infracted for or what might count as such, then people tend to not talk to people or interact much outside of their circles (which is a big criticism of XIV as a MMO, since it harbors an incredibly hostile + anti-social atmosphere since anyone who just doesn't like you can report you for basically whatever and probably get your account struck).

if they don't think they're slick, why do they keep trying to pre-emptively evade bans by pretending it's not an ERP venue and try to make it seem it's something else?
by now it's obvious that SE does not want these people to advertise them, yet they continue to try to do it out of a false sense of entitlement, "every other MMO had it" and other flimsy excuses (imo)
I personally don't have an issue with these places or people who partake in it but SE has seemingly deemed them a problem now, so what can you do aside from not advertise them anymore? continue to do so and get banned and complain?

[Cerver]

if they don't think they're slick, why do they keep trying to pre-emptively evade bans by pretending it's not an ERP venue and try to make it seem it's something else?
by now it's obvious that SE does not want these people to advertise them, yet they continue to try to do it out of a false sense of entitlement, "every other MMO had it" and other flimsy excuses (imo)
I personally don't have an issue with these places or people who partake in it but SE has seemingly deemed them a problem now, so what can you do aside from not advertise them anymore? continue to do so and get banned and complain?

Better question is why cant a GM say "You cant advertise ERP in your venue" or better yet, add it to the ToS? There are several venues who openly do it and have done it for years, it seems like someone is being sniped by trolls mass reporting rather than it being a genuine rules infraction when it happens.

[Kaurhz]

So if I had a pet named Cracker, and I said "Crackers f***ing annoying sometimes" and when I am punished for saying that, I assume it was the F word and not the pets name, and say the pets name and get suspended, I am incapable of learning?

Also not everyone is going to take SE to court over a GM saying they said a naughty word.

Common sense would tell you that a racial epithet is not appropriate. But then having named your pet Cracker, when the GM takes you to jail he's going to explicitly state that you will be required to name change, so yeah. 1+1.. Don't use absurdly out-of-reality examples to try and set forth a narrative.

It's bold of you to say it requires going to court, even bolder when you have probably not researched it. You send a SAR to an appropriate email and they're required to reply to it and give you the data pertaining to you.

[Cerver]

Common sense would tell you that a racial epithet is not appropriate. But then having named your pet Cracker, when the GM takes you to jail he's going to explicitly state that you will be required to name change, so yeah. 1+1.. Don't use absurdly out-of-reality examples to try and set forth a narrative.

It's bold of you to say it requires going to court, even bolder when you have probably not researched it. You send a SAR to an appropriate email and they're required to reply to it and give you the data pertaining to you.

Did you even read my posts? Im talking about an IRL pet, a GM is going to require me to legally require me to change my pets name, which is also a food item?

Youre clearly here to just poke at people and bait, and tell people theyre not intelligent and as big brained as you.

Anyway ive said my piece, arguing with people as reductive as this wont amount to anything positive.