BLU's circular requirements are yet another example of poor job design

[ZedxKayn]

Collecting spells is one of the core aspects of BLU... If you don't like it, the job might not just be for you...

[Pinen]

Collecting spells is one of the core aspects of BLU... If you don't like it, the job might not just be for you...

Oh I was having a blast collecting spells, it's just the ones that require 8 people are particularly frustrating due to a strange choice of making Raise difficult to get. Perhaps it works great in Japan, but here on English servers people generally don't want to run it twice and don't want to go healer and carry a bunch of underpowered blue mages out of the kindness of their heart.

There's a lot of mental gymnastics going on to justify Square's strange decisions, they could and should just make Raise easier to get so we can do 8-man BLU trials like it was supposedly intended. Angel Whisper is not some end-game overpowered spell, especially considering its brutal 5-minute cooldown. They could also just do away with the arbitrary restriction on KO'ed players learning spells, but that's heresy to suggest such a thing.

Others have mentioned in this thread workarounds: to either a) run the content twice with a half normal job makeup or b) just run it again for the people that died. The BLUs that get the spells on the first run are really not likely to stick around, and in the vast majority of my experiences rarely do. Maybe for the 4 man content, but not 8. On reflection, perhaps my issues lie more with the community rather than upon the job design.

[Kaurhz]

Oh I was having a blast collecting spells, it's just the ones that require 8 people are particularly frustrating due to a strange choice of making Raise difficult to get. Perhaps it works great in Japan, but here on English servers people generally don't want to run it twice and don't want to go healer and carry a bunch of underpowered blue mages out of the kindness of their heart.

There's a lot of mental gymnastics going on to justify Square's strange decisions, they could and should just make Raise easier to get so we can do 8-man BLU trials like it was supposedly intended. Angel Whisper is not some end-game overpowered spell, especially considering its brutal 5-minute cooldown. They could also just do away with the arbitrary restriction on KO'ed players learning spells, but that's heresy to suggest such a thing.

Others have mentioned in this thread workarounds: to either a) run the content twice with a half normal job makeup or b) just run it again for the people that died. The BLUs that get the spells on the first run are really not likely to stick around, and in the vast majority of my experiences rarely do. Maybe for the 4 man content, but not 8. On reflection, perhaps my issues lie more with the community rather than upon the job design.

There are no mental gymnastics going on LOL

It's a hard mode trial, you aren't really expected to die in a hard mode trial in which you outgear said trial quite significantly. If all the trials required extreme modes, then you'd have a case. If people are dying in trials on hard mode, they're dying out of their own negligence. Pay attention to the trial and you don't die.

Not even trying to justify the implementation at this point, just trying to figure out why on earth you'd need raise for a hard mode trial.

If you want to argue that the cooldown should be shorter; I'd agree. If you want to argue that KO'd players should still learn the spell; I'd agree. But moaning about what requirements you need to go through in order to obtain Angel Whisper and then doing it under the guise of people not being bothered to stare at their screen and then move a little to dodge an AoE....