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    Vahlnir's Avatar
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    Elan Centauri
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph2449 View Post
    the best way to stop elitism is to stop it early from growing deep roots no matter how much they complain about the invented toxic casualism to look like the victims.
    Honestly? I've seen far more toxic casuals in this game compared to toxic elitists. Just saying. But this is by and large a casual MMO experience so...lots of casual players, which means some of them are going to be jerks. The same could be said about any group of players though. It's the internet. Jerks are going to show themselves because they can remain anonymous, and they can be any type of player.
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    Ralph2449's Avatar
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    Iris Nakiri
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Honestly? I've seen far more toxic casuals in this game compared to toxic elitists. Just saying. But this is by and large a casual MMO experience so...lots of casual players, which means some of them are going to be jerks. The same could be said about any group of players though. It's the internet. Jerks are going to show themselves because they can remain anonymous, and they can be any type of player.
    Like you said its the internet so you are bound to have to deal with the occasional jerk etc, my focus on that post was less on general toxicity and more about the specific brand of toxicity that comes along with elitism which leads to some pretty much implying or downright saying others dont "deserve" X things for not being elite, inflating requirements which indirectly inflates their ""achievement""(Which they often roflstomp so the challenge was heavily reduced), heavy gatekeeping which happens once inflated requirements become the norm, the constant implications that anyone not doing "elite" content is terribad, unskilled, lazy, incompetent and thus "undeserving" of X etc, the entitlement that the devs should focus on them because they are "elite" even if a minority, complaints when devs nerf something or make things more accessible and attempts to influence the devs to pander to their unhealthy mentality. (which if ever happens the game would suffer greatly, thankfully that has not been the case and doesnt look like it will be but that is why I suggest vigilance, anyone who has lived long enough has seen that nothing is forever stable, because something looks safe and good today doesnt mean it will stay that way)

    The influence and effects of things like that if left unopposed are far more insidious than they looks on the surface.

    When it comes to general toxicity I feel SE has definitely done a better job than most at least by actually hiring GMs and taking their ToS seriously, not perfect obviously but honestly the best I ve seen in the many many western mmo i ve played.
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