Fake FCs' Housing Abuse

[Jojoya]

Like do you bother to read or click the links?

How are character at level one warrior, as their only job, going to invest time in a the FC workshop

Unless there some new mythical PTW access feature you can use them without having any crafter leveled.

As for the temporary delay of auto demolition from SE. It is what it is. After the delay went right back to how it was. Just be thankful you had enough income to pay for a sub still

Only the fabrication station requires DoH classes to be leveled. Anyone can buy airship and submersible parts off the MB to run airship and submersible voyages. Anyone can plant seeds if they have the seeds and soil.

No PTW needed.

[Adrameliya]

They are not going to kick people (take away their properties) with FC's regardless of size. There were no stipulations other than needing 4 members to start one and being a certain rank in GC in order to purchase a property. The take away crowd isn't going to win this one. If there are new rules implemented it will affect new FC's after the date of the new rule implementation and i highly doubt they'll change them.

What they do need to fix however is the ownership issue where ONLY one alt/character can be leader of a FC per server. That is the crux of the problem with people owning multiple FC's.

And frankly I'd have no problem with those with alts who all own multiple FC's on the same server and who have bypassed the intent of the rules to actually have to transfer ownership or have them taken away.

The take away crowd always kinda scare me tbh, there’s so many of them asking, I’m always a bit afraid SE would cave in.

And I 100% agree there’s should be restrictions of how many alt/characters can be FC leaders on one server!

[Drkdays]

Yeah, I guess you don't know a thing about FC workshops. Funny you're complaining about someone who is more invested in this game than the hundreds who didn't care to enter their house in nearly a whole year. Educate yourself before calling someone a "bot".

Still obsessed with workshops...

[Big_Bap]

Still obsessed with workshops...

Relevant as ever baby. Catch up.

[Drkdays]

Relevant as ever baby. Catch up.

No it's not...

Shell FCs and workshops uses are not the same topic, you dorrito. You can have one without the other. FCs housing abuse just makes it, and many OTHER things easier to use in abundance.

What is it you like to say?

Educate yourself.

[Big_Bap]

No it's not...

Shell FCs and workshops uses are not the same topic, you dorrito. You can have one without the other. FCs housing abuse just makes it, and many OTHER things easier to use in abundance.

What is it you like to say?

Educate yourself.

You are hilarious, as always.

First off, there is no such thing as "FC housing abuse", just your own projection of what is acceptable and what isn't. If you want to die on that hill, go ahead and state your case, I'll gladly provide GM discussions about the topic.

Second, so-called "shell FCs" are exactly what players who run fleets end up using. But yes, obviously, not every "Shell FC" out there is used for workshop purposes. What you have obviously failed to notice is that the the OP is talking about houses that follow the same pattern fleet owners use. Let's look into it since you don't know much about it.

Leaders look identical: Check
Leaders are low level: Check
Leaders follow a naming convention: Check
FC names follow a naming convention: Check
FC tags follow a naming convention: Check
FC foundations are within the same timeframe: Check
Omnicrafter present: Check
Supplemental alts for FC transfers of bound items/inventory management: Check
Houses are next to each other for ease of convenience when FC hopping: Check
Houses are identical: Check
Houses are primarily/exclusively built on small plots: Check
More than 8 houses, which implies more than 1 account are being used: Check

You go and find me an example that meets the criteria above that doesn't qualify as a player or a group of players who isn't/are not heavily invested in workshop related content. Better yet, you go and ask the very people who are into that sort of gameplay if that looks like someone who's running a fleet or not: https://discord.gg/kUWXPrT

I know you won't even ask, because you prefer to be upset at the world for playing differently than you do, but you can't say I didn't try

Since you are on Gilgamesh, would you like to talk about the metrics when it comes to "Shell FCs" that are not used for workshops?

[Drkdays]

Another long pointless list.

It's GASLIGHTING at it's worst.

SE needs to redefine FC standards to match their own rules. One player should not be able to own a whole ward or more, FOR ANY REASON.

That's the real issue and has been for YEARS, no matter how you may defend how a player is following the rules,

the rules themselves are the problem.

You might disagree, but unknowable amounts of protests against the current system disagree with you.

[Big_Bap]

Another long pointless list.

It's GASLIGHTING at it's worst.

SE needs to redefine FC standards to match their own rules. One player should not be able to own a whole ward or more, FOR ANY REASON.

That's the real issue and has been for YEARS, no matter how you may defend how a player is following the rules,

the rules themselves are the problem.

You might disagree, but unknowable amounts of protests against the current system disagree with you.

Once again you deliver.... nothing. I didn't expect any less from you /clap

You tried to be a smart*** without even looking at what the OP brought up and obviously, you're gonna cry about gaslighting. Textbook comedy right there. Keep deflecting about what is right and what is wrong.


EDIT: Btw, "she'll FCs" with 1 member represent 2.1% of all available plots: JP 2.5% / NA 1.7% / EU 2.1%

Imagine literally screaming about 2% of homeowners, when the majority are actively using their house, instead of complaining about the thousands of players who sit on empty personal houses. #logic

[Drkdays]

It's not even completely about usage, though that's a big part of it.

SE has noted that there is a problem with the number of houses vs players.

SE has tried to restrict the number of houses a player can have per account.

SE fails to modify FC housing acquisition, so the above two notes aren't adequately being handled.

A greedy player can, and does still have an unlimited access to more housing.

PROBLEM DETECTED.

I believe the OP was talking about shell FCs taking up large numbers of plots. Not the virtues of having multiple workshops, or even if said FC are using them for that.

Don't change the subject and claim others are wrong about that subject, cause you know what that is?

Hint, starts with being full of gas.

[Big_Bap]

It's not even completely about usage, though that's a big part of it.

I don't see you complaining, why?

SE has noted that there is a problem with the number of houses vs players.

Yeah, that's why it's one personal house per server. So why are you not complaining about personal housing when nothing prevents a player from walking up and buy as many FC houses they want? You're probably gonna reply with the outdated lodestone guide, because you never tried to purchase multiple houses.

SE has tried to restrict the number of houses a player can have per account.

Personal houses, yes. Restrictions on FC housing lasted a whole two weeks ever since housing came out in 2013...

SE fails to modify FC housing acquisition, so the above two notes aren't adequately being handled.

Maybe it's because it's a non issue? Read that again, you need it.

A greedy player can, and does still have an unlimited access to more housing.

Greed is subjective. Running 40 workshops isn't as greedy as holding on to a personal house that isn't being used.

PROBLEM DETECTED.

Your logic.

I believe the OP was talking about shell FCs taking up large numbers of plots. Not the virtues of having multiple workshops, or even if said FC are using them for that.

Yeah, because the OP is oblivious as to how workshops work in this game. That should have been very clear by now.

Don't change the subject and claim others are wrong about that subject, cause you know what that is?

You're the one who refuses to look at factual evidence and logic. What about you stop bringing up your emotions into this discussion. I know it might be difficult because you have no expertise on the subject, but you could try... or just admit you are wrong.

Hint, starts with being full of gas.

Nominal? Try again.

EDIT: You should read this: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/428847

People like you are repeatedly getting slammed on the other side of the Pacific.