Fake FCs' Housing Abuse

[Awha]

:P That feeling when people want to take plots from people thinking that it will make things easier for them. End of the day who are we to say what is considered an active fc or plot usage. What is next should we monitor the usage of a plot minus the stepping foot inside.

I know on my main account I get hate cause I have a large that is not decorated and I just use to grow onions.

[SpiritualOcean]

If they’re paying their sub and active enough to keep a house, it’s unlikely SE would want to do anything to take them out of their house.

[Penthea]

If they’re paying their sub and active enough to keep a house, it’s unlikely SE would want to do anything to take them out of their house.

There are active players who lost their house because they misunderstood how the demo timer works (they thought being in the garden was enough). While there are players who have been lvl 50 for several years who do nothing on those characters aside from reset the timer on a house with no decor or aetheryte. Which one of these types of players is more active in the game? And no not entering your house doesn't mean you're not using the plot. You can grow plants and decorate the garden without ever entering the house.

And please no one come to me with "well people who know how the demo timer works obviously love housing more because they did research" because believing this means thinking human error isn't a thing, thinking language barriers don't exist, and ignoring that you can use your garden every single day without entering your house. A player who merely teleports to their house every single day is still using it significantly more than a person who logs in once every 45 days for less than a minute.

In my opinion the system isn't working very well if all you have to do to keep a house is log in for less than a minute to reset a timer once every 45 days. If SE tied the timer to just having an active sub it wouldn't change much of anything for these "active" characters, which just shows what a joke SE consider basic activity to be.

Shell fcs are a problem and they need to be tackled somehow. Personals being hoarded is still a problem but it's significantly smaller due to the limitations on how many you can have in a server per account severely stunting their hoarding growth. Whereas an account can own eight fc houses per server so the problem with shell fcs continues to grow.

I would prefer if everyone could do whatever they want with housing, even to the realms of ridiculousness, but the system we have doesn't allow everyone to. It's already a limited resource and those who are pushing their use of it as far as they can go are depriving others of content by hoarding so much for themselves. So as long as housing is a limited resource, I will always be of the opinion that hoarding is an issue that needs to be dealt with.

I hope hope hope HOPE that island sanctuaries will provide some manner of housing with both indoor and outdoor decoration so a big chunk of this issue can finally be put to rest. There would still be issues for fcs getting houses but at least individuals would be fine which would dramatically decrease the demand for houses in wards. But considering SE's track record with how they handle housing the possibility of this boon happening is sadly very low.

[Big_Bap]

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1: A quarter of Free Companies with a house on the JP Data Centers don't have 4 or more members. What about you go take a stroll to the JP forums and suggest taking all those houses away and report back with how many people agree with you huh?

2: "Most likely bots" Based on what? Your inexperience with how this game has to offer? Odds are whoever owns these houses is way more active than you are.

3: Would you like to talk about the 200+ players who didn't enter their house for 10 months on your server? Where's your outrage about those players? Why aren't you talking about having mandatory tenants for personal housing?

[Gravy9]

I guess you missed the message here... This isn't about low-member FCs. This is about 23 FCs run by the same person, for the sake of having the houses.
this list here

You can click on each and everyone of the "Free-Style" FC and clearly see that they are essentially bot/Shell FCs even the additonal members are level 1 on war only ->as seen here



as for the 10 months, nothing we can do about that as it was a SE decision to halt it due to the first global pandemic since the 1920;s.... and there already was an out cry for that.

[Big_Bap]

I guess you missed the message here... This isn't about low-member FCs. This is about 23 FCs run by the same person, for the sake of having the houses.
this list here

You can click on each and everyone of the "Free-Style" FC and clearly see that they are essentially bot/Shell FCs even the additonal members are level 1 on war only ->as seen here



as for the 10 months, nothing we can do about that as it was a SE decision to halt it due to the first global pandemic since the 1920;s.... and there already was an out cry for that.

Yeah, I guess you don't know a thing about FC workshops. Funny you're complaining about someone who is more invested in this game than the hundreds who didn't care to enter their house in nearly a whole year. Educate yourself before calling someone a "bot".

[Gravy9]

Like do you bother to read or click the links?

How are character at level one warrior, as their only job, going to invest time in a the FC workshop

Unless there some new mythical PTW access feature you can use them without having any crafter leveled.

As for the temporary delay of auto demolition from SE. It is what it is. After the delay went right back to how it was. Just be thankful you had enough income to pay for a sub still

[Big_Bap]

Like do you bother to read or click the links?

How are character at level one warrior, as their only job, going to invest time in a the FC workshop

Unless there some new mythical PTW access feature you can use them without having any crafter leveled.

As for the temporary delay of auto demolition from SE. It is what it is. After the delay went right back to how it was. Just be thankful you had enough income to pay for a sub still

Yes, I do.

You can deploy/repair/outfit/dismantle airships and submarines with any character. Guess what those FCs are used for? Don't worry, it's okay to be wrong about something but in your case, you really should educate yourself before talking about things you are oblivious about.

The issue isn't the suspension of the auto demolition. The issue is that you are visibly upset at someone who's using their FC houses, but don't give a **** about people that don't use their personal/FC house.

[Jojoya]

Like do you bother to read or click the links?

How are character at level one warrior, as their only job, going to invest time in a the FC workshop

Unless there some new mythical PTW access feature you can use them without having any crafter leveled.

As for the temporary delay of auto demolition from SE. It is what it is. After the delay went right back to how it was. Just be thankful you had enough income to pay for a sub still

Only the fabrication station requires DoH classes to be leveled. Anyone can buy airship and submersible parts off the MB to run airship and submersible voyages. Anyone can plant seeds if they have the seeds and soil.

No PTW needed.

[Solarra]

The main issue here is supply. If there were enough houses then we wouldn't have so many threads suggesting creative ways of taking houses away from people. Making the system punitive enough to free up large numbers of houses would lead to a lot of very unhappy players. We already have to jump through hoops to keep our houses and making small FCs less viable would be unfair on people who simply want a FC for personal friends or family. I certainly wouldn't like to see any system that encourages FCs to spam invite newbies just so they can keep their house.

It's worth remembering that Japanese servers are smaller than the E.U. or North American ones. I would hope that the Devs are aware that this is an issue that disproportionately affects players on E.U. and the U.S.A. servers, but I do wonder if the fact that this is a lesser problem for Japanese players might be something to do with the apparent belief that adding a few more wards will sort everything out. On a server like Balmung, adding Ishgard wards is going to have as much effect as a drop of water on a bucket of hot sand.

We already have instanced housing in the form of apartments but they are unattractive due to their small size and lack of an outdoors. If a FC could buy a large apartment with access to a workshop via their Grand Company and have somewhere to garden along with members being able to have personal rooms, then I think there would be less demand for housing in the wards. It would be nice for individuals to be able to upgrade their apartments to a larger size too.

Personally, I think improving apartments or introducing a new type of instanced housing that gives you access to a garden alongside the existing wards would be a better way to go than tweaking the frankly horrid system we have at present. I do understand the frustration when shell FCs take over a large number of houses, but all the proposals to curb this by making it even harder for people to keep a house once they get one, are likely to harm individual home owners far more.
The only change I would like to see is making it impossible for an individual to hold more than one FC and one personal house per server, I can't see any problem with that.