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  1. #91
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Honestly to me, this is turning into ‘players personality & behavior policing’ discussion.

    I’d rather they abolish the mentor system and move the incentive attached to it elsewhere while not denying whoever had already claimed it at this point. Any players can help, just as any players can be disruptive. Not just mentors & trolls.
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  2. #92
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    I say get rid of mentor requirements and just anyone join NN and mentor roulette.
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  3. #93
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    Alys Isshu
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza View Post
    I assumed mentors were around to help everyone. Not just sprouts. But apparently not.
    Teach a man to fish and all that. There really needs to be a cutoff for hand holding. Extreme/savage/ultimate difficulty content requires prepared people if they don't know how acquire that knowledge then they aren't ready for that level of content. Throwing a mentor or two into the instance for 90 or 120 minutes isn't going to magically make it work.
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    Last edited by GeminiReed; 03-14-2021 at 02:41 PM.

  4. #94
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeminiReed View Post
    Teach a man to fish and all that. There really needs to be a cutoff for hand holding. Extreme/savage/ultimate difficulty content requires prepared people if they don't know how acquire that knowledge then they aren't ready for that level of content.
    Then Mentor Roulette, from your perspective, needs to axe Expert Roulettes/Extreme Trials. I’d honestly prefer for mentors to at least have a semi-decent grasp on their rotations. It would have also been very nice to actually ask a mentor about current tier Extremes before I hopped in. But because we ask the absolute bare minimum of them we have mentors whose knowledge is sorely limited. I’d prefer a system where the requirements are increased so that mentors stay relevant past lvl 70.
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    Okami Amaterasuu
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza View Post
    Then Mentor Roulette, from your perspective, needs to axe Expert Roulettes/Extreme Trials. I’d honestly prefer for mentors to at least have a semi-decent grasp on their rotations. It would have also been very nice to actually ask a mentor about current tier Extremes before I hopped in. But because we ask the absolute bare minimum of them we have mentors whose knowledge is sorely limited. I’d prefer a system where the requirements are increased so that mentors stay relevant past lvl 70.
    Pretty much why they should move away from commendations as a mentor requirement. All commendations prove is that you play a lot of tank/healer, not that you're actually knowledgeable about fights or different jobs/roles.
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    I wish I got a lot of commendations for playing healer and tank. I still don't have my 3k chocobo..
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  7. #97
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    True mentors dont have a crown. Mentors must explain everything in raids, trials and dg.

    Go if you love teach, but forget about that icon and social status. if you dont behave as teacher, others may complain.

    theres a lot of good players, experienced ones won can do everything mentor do, and not have that crown vanity.
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  8. #98
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellgon View Post
    True mentors dont have a crown. Mentors must explain everything in raids, trials and dg.
    Mentors don't need to be a tutorial that explains every mechanic and turn in a dungeon, they should just help people when they are actually having trouble.

    Some new players want blind runs, so I respect that and assume that if they wanted to know the mechanics in advance then they would have watched a video. If a mechanic really isn't obvious, gives them trouble or prevents them beating it then I explain it, but most of them don't need explaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fellgon View Post
    True mentors dont have a crown. Mentors must explain everything in raids, trials and dg.

    Go if you love teach, but forget about that icon and social status. if you dont behave as teacher, others may complain.

    theres a lot of good players, experienced ones won can do everything mentor do, and not have that crown vanity.
    Here's the reality: Mentors aren't a substitute for you doing your own work too. We can give a brief summary of what to expect but we aren't going to take 10m+ to do so when 2-6 other people in the party are waiting to start. If you want a deep look at what to expect, there are tons of guides on YouTube. I highly encourage you to watch them first and then when you enter the dungeon/trial/raid/whatever, ask for clarification on parts you're confused about. Just like in real life, we can tell you how things go but you have to do your own homework and studying as well to truly master the topic. I will always answer questions if they are asked, but I also know the reality and that I can't just stop the fight to teach a class on it first.

    Watch a video first, go in and ask questions after. From my experience people usually respond better to specific questions rather than "Hey I'm new here, tell me all the mechanics."
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  10. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
    Here's the reality: Mentors aren't a substitute for you doing your own work too. We can give a brief summary of what to expect but we aren't going to take 10m+ to do so when 2-6 other people in the party are waiting to start. If you want a deep look at what to expect, there are tons of guides on YouTube. I highly encourage you to watch them first and then when you enter the dungeon/trial/raid/whatever, ask for clarification on parts you're confused about. Just like in real life, we can tell you how things go but you have to do your own homework and studying as well to truly master the topic. I will always answer questions if they are asked, but I also know the reality and that I can't just stop the fight to teach a class on it first.

    Watch a video first, go in and ask questions after. From my experience people usually respond better to specific questions rather than "Hey I'm new here, tell me all the mechanics."
    I also like to add that there are also players who do not fancy being taught for various reasons. Reasonable ones such as avoiding spoilers are understandable, but it can also be trivial such as simply not liking being told what to do, A.K.A. freestyler. More than often the latter can lead to a petty responses. It's just not worthy of the risk.
    Personally, I won't offer any explanation unless the player in question is clearly struggling or directly asking the question in the chat.... which is something that any player with the knowledge in question can do. Not just mentors.
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 03-14-2021 at 10:33 PM.

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