Quote Originally Posted by MarsAstro View Post
I wouldn't say that's her shtick, it's just been a thing in Shadowbringers, since the focus has been on making the Ascians more sympathetic. She also didn't single-handedly write Shadowbringers, and she's previously written other stories for the game that are entirely different.



Could you explain how you feel Ascians had depth before? Before Shadowbringers I never really saw any motivation for their actions beyond "we like chaos and want to bring our evil god back", which didn't seem too deep to me.
I'm not really sure how you feel Elidibus was a repeat of Emet-Selch either, they felt like fundamentally different characters with different motivations to me. Sure, they both had sad stories, but otherwise they were completely different. Emet-Selch was motivated by his memories of happier days, Elidibus couldn't remember who he was or why he was doing what he was doing. They couldn't have been much more different in their motivations and story arcs as far as I'm concerned.

I'd love for you to elaborate, if you're up for it, I want to understand where you're coming from.
She also wrote the drk quests did she not? Which also ended up being crazy sob story. I felt the ascians had depth because ever since arr they always had a sense of mystery to them, from the things Lahabrea proclaims in prae to what Elidibus says and does in post arr. Nabri added some flavor and depth to them as well by showing us there’s still opposition among their ranks. There were always hints to what their whole idea was and that it wasn’t so black and white you just had to look deeper at things. As for Elidibus being an Emet clone, let’s see. Takes us to amaurot to show us past things, creates a dungeon for us, his trial is basically a hades copy and paste with the whole, let’s summon 7 wol, oh yeah and let’s have a panic button in the middle of the fight where he almost wins and then oh no a plot convenience happens. And then he’s defeated with a big light beam. As for Elidibus himself, you could tell his character was absolutely rushed. They pulled out so many plot holes and plot conveniences to rush and get rid of him. The memory loss was a total asspull considering his dialogue in ARR and it just seemed like an excuse to have shitty fanservice as a trial. They gave him only 2 patches to try and flesh out his character and failed miserably, whereas we have zenos now who’s had more screen time than him and he’s only been around since 4.0 whereas Elidibus has been around since 2.0.