How could you do this to AST?

[HyoMinPark]

Let's push this back a little further...HwD BRD.

At least HW BRD had party support in the form of MP/TP regen—even if it did cost you 10% damage to use... ShB BRD doesn’t have hardly anything. Troubadour isn’t anything special anymore, and while Minne affecting oGCD healing is nice, it’s not really enough to play into a support role. SB BRD was near perfect but they just had to go and mess with it...

[Seoulstar]

At least HW BRD had party support in the form of MP/TP regen—even if it did cost you 10% damage to use... ShB BRD doesn’t have hardly anything. Troubadour isn’t anything special anymore, and while Minne affecting oGCD healing is nice, it’s not really enough to play into a support role. SB BRD was near perfect but they just had to go and mess with it...

That...is a very good point..

[RyoXander]

I'm fairly new to AST; with it now being my main cuz I fell in love with it due to the card/buffing system and how stunning all the spells and abilities look. Specially compared to how lackluster/ordinary WHM and SCH abilities/spells look. Going back to your original post, you mentioned that you were going to have to switch because you needed a shield healer since your friend goes WHM; but I've always read/seen that Diurnal Sect should always be your go to choice when playing AST and that you should really only ever use Diurnal when playing with another AST. So you should still be able to play AST just fine.

[Absurdity]

I'm fairly new to AST; with it now being my main cuz I fell in love with it due to the card/buffing system and how stunning all the spells and abilities look. Specially compared to how lackluster/ordinary WHM and SCH abilities/spells look. Going back to your original post, you mentioned that you were going to have to switch because you needed a shield healer since your friend goes WHM; but I've always read/seen that Diurnal Sect should always be your go to choice when playing AST and that you should really only ever use Diurnal when playing with another AST. So you should still be able to play AST just fine.

The issue people have is that they simply wanted to keep playing Noct AST.

This hasn't really been about numbers because of course AST is still going to be viable when they remove Nocturnal Sect. Over those 30 pages in the thread it's been proven time and time again that mathematically Diurnal is just the superior AST sect, even with a WHM, as long as the fight doesn't literally force you to use shields on top of mitigation to survive.

People are simply disappointed that they now have to play Diurnal because it's the only thing available to them.

[Marxam]

The issue people have is that they simply wanted to keep playing Noct AST.

This hasn't really been about numbers because of course AST is still going to be viable when they remove Nocturnal Sect. Over those 30 pages in the thread it's been proven time and time again that mathematically Diurnal is just the superior AST sect, even with a WHM, as long as the fight doesn't literally force you to use shields on top of mitigation to survive.

People are simply disappointed that they now have to play Diurnal because it's the only thing available to them.

We don't know if they are removing Noct outright (though experience tells me they will just rename Celestial Intersection to Nocturnal Sect) so we will have to wait and see. Though I do hope they take this approach to the healers:

WHM = Pure Healer
SCH = Dual Healer emphasis on Barrier Heal (Eos = Regens, Selene = Barrier)
AST = Dual Healer emphasis on Pure Heal (Diurnal = Regen, Nocturnal = Barrier)
SAG = Barrier Healer

Probably wishful thinking since Yoshi's idea of "balance" is to make each job viable by giving them everything another job has outside of the their Job exclusive gimmick (i.e. cards, faeries, lilies) but even then they couldn't get some of those right. I'm still confused as to why Faeries are just for glamour now.

[Liam_Harper]

Though I do hope they take this approach to the healers:

WHM = Pure Healer
SCH = Dual Healer emphasis on Barrier Heal (Eos = Regens, Selene = Barrier)
AST = Dual Healer emphasis on Pure Heal (Diurnal = Regen, Nocturnal = Barrier)
SAG = Barrier Healer

What I'm expecting is something like this:

WHM = Pure healer with no mobility, no weave, no buffs and no shields.
AST = Pure healer with all the mobility, raid buffs and a shield or two.
SCH = Pure healer with bonus shields and a raid buff or two.
SAG = Pure healer with bonus shields, mitigation and a few shiny toys SCH doesn't get.

[Absurdity]

What I'm expecting is something like this:

WHM = Pure healer with no mobility, no weave, no buffs and no shields.
AST = Pure healer with all the mobility, raid buffs and a shield or two.
SCH = Pure healer with bonus shields and a raid buff or two.
SAG = Pure healer with bonus shields, mitigation and a few shiny toys SCH doesn't get.

Pretty much what it's most likely going to be.

[SweetPete]

As long as they make Selene relevant again. It’s so sad that they made her just a glamour. They really wanted to kill the meta so they completely destroyed and dismantled Astrologian, Scholar and Bard. As I guess those were jobs that were mandatory in the meta clan.

[IceBlueNinja]

totally agreed pete, i feel it for the bards, we ast and sch got hit bad but bard got brutalized. Respects to the bards who still plays it and hope yall get some love back I mean it.

[SweetPete]

totally agreed pete, i feel it for the bards, we ast and sch got hit bad but bard got brutalized. Respects to the bards who still plays it and hope yall get some love back I mean it.

Seeing as Ast, Sch and bards have the most forum complaints as far as jobs go, I am hoping SE finally understands what they did was a huge mistake and tries their best to correct it in Endwalker. Just because they wanted to make every job viable and have no priority jobs it doesn’t mean they had to destroy those 3 jobs the way they did. It’s been an aweful almost 2 years for Astros, sch and bards.