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    In the end of it... there is no pro's posting this ingame anywhere, only cons, and as it is... it could be or there could be a ring of people with really bad morale, whoms option is to try and lure themself onto minors, that is why it should be prohibited due to it is entirely out of SE's field to be able to monitor, and if they start getting reports in about their game, and also it would be best to prohibit the advertizing in any form due to most of all protecting the people themself from not being fooled by a minor themself either, and end in a very not so fun case.

    It is reportable if getting on the bad side of the fence, and GM can see all the chatlogs, if there is a report bound to it.. also there is one more vital thing... both sides can be victims in this as for hate reports as well.

    Also this bigger warning label onto something, also the bigger desire for people to over look it, just look on the WWW in what is most searched for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    In the end of it... there is no pro's posting this ingame anywhere, only cons, and as it is... it could be or there could be a ring of people with really bad morale, whoms option is to try and lure themself onto minors, that is why it should be prohibited due to it is entirely out of SE's field to be able to monitor, and if they start getting reports in about their game, and also it would be best to prohibit the advertizing in any form due to most of all protecting the people themself from not being fooled by a minor themself either, and end in a very not so fun case.

    It is reportable if getting on the bad side of the fence, and GM can see all the chatlogs, if there is a report bound to it.. also there is one more vital thing... both sides can be victims in this as for hate reports as well.

    Also this bigger warning label onto something, also the bigger desire for people to over look it, just look on the WWW in what is most searched for.
    So they prohibit advertising altogether and that's instead of investigating case-by-case for any wrong doing like they do now then does it stop anybody with bad intentions from doing the bad thing? No. Their activity is pushed to using Discord communities, Guilded communities, in game connections, small public spaces they're less likely to get caught. What is the knock-on effect? The GM's lose a lot of visibility. This is why I think they're not being taken down on purpose because they can investigate them for wrong doing and act if they have been found guilty of it. And people then are reporting them. Your hypothetical ring of people would then be visible to the GM's, they could investigate and find "something is going on wrong here" and do something about it. This is what I suspect their approach is. From YoshiP's interview it sounds like that have thought about how they should handle it and they've gotten legal guidance on handling and investigating them, so I trust they're handling it in the most appropriate legal fashion if that's what they've done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    So they prohibit advertising altogether and that's instead of investigating case-by-case for any wrong doing like they do now then does it stop anybody with bad intentions from doing the bad thing? No. Their activity is pushed to using Discord communities, Guilded communities, in game connections, small public spaces they're less likely to get caught. What is the knock-on effect? The GM's lose a lot of visibility. This is why I think they're not being taken down on purpose because they can investigate them for wrong doing and act if they have been found guilty of it. And people then are reporting them. Your hypothetical ring of people would then be visible to the GM's, they could investigate and find "something is going on wrong here" and do something about it. This is what I suspect their approach is. From YoshiP's interview it sounds like that have thought about how they should handle it and they've gotten legal guidance on handling and investigating them, so I trust they're handling it in the most appropriate legal fashion if that's what they've done.
    I am just trying to point out, that SE, is not going to be on the losing end in this matter and it would be a horrible PR for them, asking them for permitting this niche to be an open option, it is like an invitation to the cyberworld of adult content if they ever permitted it or gave options and special flags to, there is not many options to go by in this matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    I am just trying to point out, that SE, is not going to be on the losing end in this matter and it would be a horrible PR for them, asking them for permitting this niche to be an open option, it is like an invitation to the cyberworld of adult content if they ever permitted it or gave options and special flags to, there is not many options to go by in this matter.
    Fair. They can't really come out saying "this is okay" or "you won't be moderated for engaging in this" but to instead saying putting emphasis on what it unacceptable, which in this case is breaking the law and violating the ToS. It then avoids making affirmative statements or stances. It then brings ambiguity on stuff that has a risk of breaking the law or breaking the ToS and people have to factor in the risk rather than assume "ah okay, it's all fine, they said so".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saefinn View Post
    Fair. They can't really come out saying "this is okay" or "you won't be moderated for engaging in this" but to instead saying putting emphasis on what it unacceptable, which in this case is breaking the law and violating the ToS. It then avoids making affirmative statements or stances. It then brings ambiguity on stuff that has a risk of breaking the law or breaking the ToS and people have to factor in the risk rather than assume "ah okay, it's all fine, they said so".
    It is really really not a player thing to moderate this and it is really not SE's position to give these moderation tools to do something towards that SE does not officially support at all, it is in their position not acceptable at all, this is a private company not some country with a government, where you can demonstrate peacefully.
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