Will there be an official response about Party Finder advertising?

[Saefinn]

Personally, I have no problem with standard RP things on the PF like bathhouses or taverns as a couple examples. I don't want to hinder RPers as a whole. What I would like to see though is more of a cracking down on the ERP listings. People can ERP to their hearts' content within reason (and within the law) for all I care, but they don't need to parade it in front of the entire data center.

For sure, whilst I am not personally bothered, I can see that some people don't want to see this kind of thing for their own reasons. Whilst to me I struggle to see where the offensiveness is in a basic advertisement is when it doesn't put on parade their deeds as long as they're keep the act in a private space or channel, but can concede that others are bothered or concerned about the space being used for adult purposes and that they play the game too, especially in a teen rated one.

My only concern with them is how this game is rated teen and the risks of underaged people getting caught up and for people who may have all the best intentions sure they're dealing with an adult to find they're not to an adult and then find themselves in deep legal trouble.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

How about simply flagging people as young sprouts with a symbol on their name if not 18+ while also allowing a specific tagging for 18+ messages.

The age would be drawn from their account information.

[Awha]

How about simply flagging people as young sprouts with a symbol on their name if not 18+ while also allowing a specific tagging for 18+ messages.

The age would be drawn from their account information.

yeah that will not go over well since that puts a label on the children cannot have that either in fear of them being harassed or avoided.

Plus they can lie about their age.

[van_arn]

If enough people turn it off that is. If people are seeking the kinds of thing in those shout channels they might keep it turned on. And what if it is just the right amount of spammy that people just tolerate it in the main cities where it's happening but keep it turned on, because people use shout chat outside of cities. I mean it'd be inefficient to spam outside of the main cities.

And for sure if it's ERP spam, all those underaged people you're worried about will have plenty of exposure to those ads before they've even decided it's worth turning off shout chat.

It does nothing to fix the problem you're claiming concern about. I think I am starting to see why the OP suggested it's a bad faith argument, because the other thing you have argued is that you just don't want to see it and for it to stay out of sight and out of mind...which this solution would allow you to do. But if anything would likely make things worse for your other concern (about underaged people) because it'd be no longer tucked away in a PF and would be openly visible in a huge public channel.

More visible, and much more likely to report.

[Saefinn]

More visible, and much more likely to report.

We're falling back on the assumption the GM's would act on them. The verdict is still out on whether it's inappropriate in the eyes of GM (and the purpose of this thread)

It seems their view is: as long as it doesn't break ToS it's fine.

Something like:
"Come down to Dancer Cafe, 18+ only at [insert location], come have some fun"
Wouldn't break any ToS as I understand it. There's no profanity, no offensive language, if they're not spamming it constantly then it's not spam, no laws are broken.

And if a GM's investigation finds them not guilty of breaking the ToS or the law at said venue, would they stop them advertising? As far as I've understood GM responses it'd be unlikely. At most, if they kept spamming it they'd maybe act, but if they are conservative enough then they're not gonna be reported for spamming.

[Themarvin]

We're falling back on the assumption the GM's would act on them. The verdict is still out on whether it's inappropriate in the eyes of GM (and the purpose of this thread)

It seems their view is: as long as it doesn't break ToS it's fine.

Something like:
"Come down to Dancer Cafe, 18+ only at [insert location], come have some fun"
Wouldn't break any ToS as I understand it. There's no profanity, no offensive language, if they're not spamming it constantly then it's not spam, no laws are broken.

And if a GM's investigation finds them not guilty of breaking the ToS or the law at said venue, would they stop them advertising? As far as I've understood GM responses it'd be unlikely. At most, if they kept spamming it they'd maybe act, but if they are conservative enough then they're not gonna be reported for spamming.

The thing is, the complaint can come after having went to x location and found it is quite 'interesting' it is not just the PF for it, if it leads to mature or adult only content, then have been miss informing or miss leading people, and then you can get reported for both the PF not being what it was alike as lured into some den... and then when someone jumps you at the place... can get violated for personal harrashment as well.

Leaving stuff out of PF's can take a turn in the wrong direction very easy.

[Melichoir]

We're falling back on the assumption the GM's would act on them. The verdict is still out on whether it's inappropriate in the eyes of GM (and the purpose of this thread)

It seems their view is: as long as it doesn't break ToS it's fine.

Something like:
"Come down to Dancer Cafe, 18+ only at [insert location], come have some fun"
Wouldn't break any ToS as I understand it. There's no profanity, no offensive language, if they're not spamming it constantly then it's not spam, no laws are broken.

And if a GM's investigation finds them not guilty of breaking the ToS or the law at said venue, would they stop them advertising? As far as I've understood GM responses it'd be unlikely. At most, if they kept spamming it they'd maybe act, but if they are conservative enough then they're not gonna be reported for spamming.

It doesnt quite break ToS because it implies what its for without saying it, and creates an expected cut off so you dont have complications with minors. If a minor does show up to something and participates, itd likely end up falling back on the "The minor lied to gain access" aspect. It's the same thinking adult websites use with asking "Hey youre 18+ right?"

Beyond that, it also falls into "Well, adults be adults. Not our business". As long as it's not harassment, they dont have much else to go on unless they want to set a precedent of policing what people get up to in more private chats. Which they probably wont because then it leaves them liable. As long as they remain consistent in their approach and dont actively encourage bad situations, it gives them somewhat of a shield against scandals.

[Zomkei]

How about simply flagging people as young sprouts with a symbol on their name if not 18+ while also allowing a specific tagging for 18+ messages.

The age would be drawn from their account information.

wouldnt this just make them an easy target for predators?

[Melichoir]

wouldnt this just make them an easy target for predators?

Probably. Itd literally be a giant flag to predators saying "Hey Im underaged and potentially manipulatable." That and it still doesnt solve the issue of a minor lying about their age in any case.

[Takamorisan]

Meh scorched earth its the reasonable solution here, go do RP stuff in fellowship stuff, nuke RMT announcements be more hardlined with botting etc. What is fair is fair, can't offer different treatments when there is another issue is rolling, 2 wrongs don't make it right etc etc.