Viera hairstyles

[KizuyaKatogami]

May be luxury issues, but in the end most of this games money is earned off luxury items and styles. SE is slow but they often provide.. In this case more than likely 6.0 will see a few styles added and such. At the end of the day, this won't break or make the game. People asking for this more and more eventually pushes SE to do something about it. More or less that is what this is about. I don't think this game is a downgrade after downgrade. It keeps getting better with each expansion honestly. I think they jumped the gun with everyone screaming for another race and SE botched trying to make it happen when they really wanted to focus on something else entirely. Them taking a whole expansion to make changes and fix their issues makes sense. They did that with 1.0 to 2.0. They already made the money they wanted for this game I imagine it sits at the top of the charts, has for a long time. It's hard to be patient for changes, but not like we can do anything else but wait and hope.

There’s a difference between the problems that required 1.0-2.0 and the current problems the game has now. It shouldn’t take a whole expansion to add hair or more headgear. Hell, the least they could do is at least address it. Instead they choose to stay secretive about it all which is just insanely shady and a slap in the face to the players who constantly support them and are given nothing for it.

[Raikai]

If 04 distinct Viera ears are the reason for no helmets, I'd gladly take just 01 ear to have hats modeled with... The "Hat ear", much like the hairstyles have a variation when a helmet is on. Would def. be better than nothing. And to be fair, if you look closely on the ear model, despite they being different, the base of the ear starts at the same spot, with identical mesh shapes. I get that some hats wouldn't work at all due to the ears sitting on the crown of the head instead of more to the sides, but many hats would... Take the example, the new Casual hat or a bandana and tell me why it wouldn't work with Viera ears.

On the topic itself: Yes, I'm quite shocked why they didn't get at least one new style throughout the whole expansion. Hairstyles don't have the same clipping concern as of helmets since you'd design them around the ears themselves, and again, the base of the ear is nearly the same for the four models, so it wouldn't be a huge amount of work to adapt the same thing four times.

[BunniEclair]

I don't believe they themselves have ever even told us we have to be patient, that's consistently been other players telling Viera and Hrothgar to shut up and be patient, they haven't said a word about it since they decided we'd get race specific styles back in 2019.

The only mention the races get is when someone asked him a month or so ago if we can get more hats and he reiterates that no, we cannot in fact get all the hats.

I don't know if people aren't directly asking them about the hair or they decide to ignore those questions.

There was an art stream sometime last year where they briefly addressed it and asked viera and hrothgar players to be patient. It was basically “yeah we know it’s a problem, we are working on it, please be patient a little longer”. If you’re interested I can try to find the video and time stamp, but no real insight or info was given.

That’s something I get frustrated about with interviews a lot. People seem to be asking super general questions like “Viera and hrothgar, eh? Any plans for the other genders? Will we get ALL hats? What about a new race?” We already know the answers to these questions because he has addressed them several times the exact same way: No to ALL hats, no NEW races ( ), please understand, it’s very expensive and a lot of work and not particularly enjoyable for the team.

I wish someone would just ask “What kind of updates are you currently working on for the new races?” I don’t expect him to be like “oh I’m glad you asked” and whip out a bunch of concept art from his pocket, but it’d be nice to get a direct update or insight into what they plan on doing and when, if anything. I don’t need another non-answer about the missing genders. I know he will never, ever answer that because that’s something big for a reveal. I do think something smaller like viera and hroth updates could potentially be addressed in an interview.

[BunniEclair]

If 04 distinct Viera ears are the reason for no helmets, I'd gladly take just 01 ear to have hats modeled with... The "Hat ear", much like the hairstyles have a variation when a helmet is on. Would def. be better than nothing.

This.

I also think something like an expansion of headgear baked into the hair itself (like the Fran helmet) would be a good option if nothing else.

I just really want Mjrn’s headgear, ok? Ok.

[Yencat]

There was an art stream sometime last year where they briefly addressed it and asked viera and hrothgar players to be patient. It was basically “yeah we know it’s a problem, we are working on it, please be patient a little longer”. If you’re interested I can try to find the video and time stamp, but no real insight or info was given.

That’s something I get frustrated about with interviews a lot. People seem to be asking super general questions like “Viera and hrothgar, eh? Any plans for the other genders? Will we get ALL hats? What about a new race?” We already know the answers to these questions because he has addressed them several times the exact same way: No to ALL hats, no NEW races ( ), please understand, it’s very expensive and a lot of work and not particularly enjoyable for the team.

I wish someone would just ask “What kind of updates are you currently working on for the new races?” I don’t expect him to be like “oh I’m glad you asked” and whip out a bunch of concept art from his pocket, but it’d be nice to get a direct update or insight into what they plan on doing and when, if anything. I don’t need another non-answer about the missing genders. I know he will never, ever answer that because that’s something big for a reveal. I do think something smaller like viera and hroth updates could potentially be addressed in an interview.

I have seen the art stream but I got the impression it focused more on headgear (and Hrothgar at that, Viera barely even got a mention), than hairstyles specifically.

But yeah I agree, I find it hard to believe that no one in all this time didn't think to ask about this which makes me think he probably dodges those questions, unfortunately.

[NumenarMithrandir]

There’s a difference between the problems that required 1.0-2.0 and the current problems the game has now. It shouldn’t take a whole expansion to add hair or more headgear. Hell, the least they could do is at least address it. Instead they choose to stay secretive about it all which is just insanely shady and a slap in the face to the players who constantly support them and are given nothing for it.

I get that, my point is they are slow to address problems its something you have to deal with if you choose to play this game. I expect them to do "something" about it, but when is the question. No it shouldn't take a whole expansion, however just because it shouldn't doesn't mean it won't. As a person who has been playing this game for a long long long time It's just what I have come to expect even though it upsets me myself it only presents you with a few options you yourself as a player have to decide on. Also no I am not defending them by any means.. Just pointing out the reality of the subject that is most likely the case. (The fact we will be waiting till 6.0)

[Lauront]

I'd say things were looking bleak for FFXIV's future during ShB development. At the time it may have really been their "last chance", but it looks like SE now has long term plans for FFXIV. Things may (hopefully) be looking up. With how sparse the content was for ShB during launch, it makes sense. We'll have to see how it goes with EW, and their plans for that graphical update.

I agree, that's the impression I get as well.

I don‘t want to be that guy... but im pretty concerned that ff16 and other projects might play a role in this.
just looking at the trailer of 16 shows us that there is a high possibility many developers from 14 are currently working on 16. (art style for example - just the feel of the game gave me ff14 vibes) yoshida being the producer of both games further supports my concerns. the story of shadowbringers was phenomenal, but content seemed a bit dry recently (even before covid), and i’m probably looking too much into this but i think it‘s a possibility that it’s connected to 16’s development.

it just buggs me sometimes, seeing ff7 remake getting a beautiful graphical upgrade just a year into the game (i‘m hyped - don‘t get me wrong) but at the same time it seems it‘s an out of the world thought getting just a small graphical upgrade for 14 because „spaghetti code“ and „limitations‘...

They're really pushing people's patience. The moment one of its competitor's gets things right XIV might have its biggest loss ever. Think about what would happen if a game like Genshin Impact decided to add a good character creator (probably won't, but just a hypothetical). Or if Phantasy Star Online 2 New Genesis turns out to be the funnest "open world" mmorpg? Or if Blue Protocol actually shocks the mmo world with a deep story and a great mmo environment?

Don't get me wrong I like XIV, but the suits and ties at SE are taking people's "loyalty" for granted. It's not so much that we want them to do what's physically impossible, it has more to do with where resources are being diverted to such as FFXVI, VII Remake, and Avengers? The cow can be milked but that cow can one day run away when it sees tastier grass on the other rancher's side.

I'm also keeping an eye open on BP. It may flop/not appeal to the same playerbase/etc. but my hope is that it lives up to its hype and spurs some competitive spirit in the market. What with PSO2 revamping itself, and the upcoming release of BP, plus the long lifespan they have in mind for the game, it will have to see some substantial reinvestment at some point or other. Cross-subsidising brands isn't that uncommon but when it gets to the point that it's beginning to strangle their golden egg laying goose (or I guess chocobo in this case), it's not sustainable. I'm not going to put too much stock into what he says about the plans for the graphics engine just yet, but realistically it is something they will need to do for this to stay around longer term and keep on generating high profits, and it is something their own staff have asked for, so maybe they mean it.

[HeyMcFly]

They actually have a somewhat active thread from what I can tell requesting viera and hrothgar hair, as well as a “wishlist” thread where it frequently comes up.

If it’s true that the Japanese player base has more sway I hope they are looking there. They don’t start as many threads, and from what google translate tells me they are a little more polite about it, but they are regularly asking for these updates.

I’ve also seen them asking for more glasses every now and then which I appreciate. It’s something everyone can use and if they can’t make hats work on us, I’d like more options for face gear.

I'm actually okay with Viera not getting most hats in the future- but there are some that can't be ignored, anything mog station/ paid for to some degree (matoya's hat/ Y'shtola's Moddish attire hair, Aymerics Hair) needs to be made visible for Hrothgar & Viera

Also, I appreciate your reply ^^