How could you do this to AST?

[ZedxKayn]

It is not stupid its fact regens is =auto heal game is healing for you, what you push a button to do each regen tic or something if its not auto mech? Oh my cool feature then if that is what it is

It is stupid, there is an inherent regen both in and out of combat but that is not what our own HoTs are. It's not because they operate on server ticks that the game is doing it for us. The game isn't casting it for us, it's not planning the uses for us, it's really stupid to say that the game is "healing for us" and that we are bad for it.

Both sects at 72+ are now able to do the job of the other noct or dirunal so neither at that point is better

What? Are you talking about Neutral Sect? So much for claiming to know AST, that's a level 80 and only applies to GCDs on a 2mins cooldown.

Again as you said your seething about shields for some reason if I am with regens and no one hates dirunal.

I will repeat no one is mad about shield or Nocturnal, we're just aware that Diurnal is numerically better, unlike you who claim regen users are bad at the game, that we're on high horses, and is looking forward Diurnal players failing in 6.0 or something like this. You're mad as hell, don't even.

I dont care or like anything about SCH it is a sloppy stress mess healer that I do not know how it is even a job seem only alright for ARR content and nothing more, tried healing with it in hw sb shb dungeons once in a while and its just nope cant do it.

SCH rewards skills and planning more than any other healer, it's alright in all type of content. It's not because YOU can't use the job that it's sloppy or a mess.

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[ZedxKayn]

Did I say any WHM is bad?

If using regen = bad at the game, then yes, you have, at the very least because of Asylum.

How would you or anyone feel if dirunal could not work with whm then? You dont sound like manage noct yourself then if your always more in dirunal as you say its the same with both sects.

I would be fine with it and still play AST, there is 0 difference in how Diurnal and Nocturnal are used in casual content and even in higher content it would change close to nothing on AST's gameplay. If you know how to play Noct, you know how to play Diurnal and vice-versa, but your posts and your claim to struggle keeping tanks alive on Diurnal shows that despite thinking you're healing "perfectly" on Noct, it might not be as perfect as you think it is, far from it.
Put me on Diurnal, put me on Nocturnal, I couldn't care less, it will have no influence on how I will use my kit at all.

However again shields will win since it can let you survive a tb or accidental cleave from a tank and even block debuff after effects, while you with full hp and regens will just topple over.

TBs and cleaves are not going to kill anyone in casual content without a previous lack of raw healing or them taking free damage, so that's not a good example of use of shields.
There is only two scenarios where using Nocturnal shields to prevent death is valid: early prog of current savage and ultimate content with crafted gear while still trying to figure out mitigation plans, or solo healing current experts, savages or ultimates. Period. Outside of these scenarios, a death will not be on a healer expected to shield, but either on a lack of raw healing, on the person(s) who died or whoever was in charge of mitigating.
I'm not sure what you mean with that last part though. It's not because it overheals a few people that it's a waste. In any healing situation, if say you use Diurnal CO to heal one or two person, they will get out of with more HP than if you had pre-emptively shielded them with Nocturnal CO because the healing potency of Diurnal is 700 while for Nocturnal its 200 + a negated 250, that's a difference of 250 potency between Diurnal and Nocturnal. That's as if the shield was applied twice and entirely consumed.

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[Liam_Harper]

Yes you may as well do so yourself it as a filthy shield on it and you may get poisoned , its a shame noct dont have the same thing cu,/star/co/celestial intersection.

Unlike yourself, "Regen lovers" are actually quite adaptable and will use a full shield opener on the pre-pull, use Dirunal CI almost on CD and put Neutral to use quite often.

[IceBlueNinja]

Unlike yourself, "Regen lovers" are actually quite adaptable and will use a full shield opener on the pre-pull, use Dirunal CI almost on CD and put Neutral to use quite often.

I barely see any ast using neutral actually in this case if i get another ast and whatever sect they went to, they an do not be using neutral an entire raid or if they do, they use it at some wierd or not necessary moment and on pre pulls I use both shields and neutral too. So shield lovers are quite adaptable too and will use a full regen opener on pre pull as well via Noct CI

[ZedxKayn]

I barely see any ast using neutral actually in this case if i get another ast and whatever sect they went to, they an do not be using neutral an entire raid or if they do, they use it at some wierd or not necessary moment and on pre pulls I use both shields and neutral too. So shield lovers are quite adaptable too and will use a full regen opener on pre pull as well via Noct CI

You... don't need regens pre-prull. There is nothing to heal. Pre-pull Neutral Sect is only to apply shields when going into the fight on Diurnal.

[IceBlueNinja]

It is stupid, there is an inherent regen both in and out of combat but that is not what our own HoTs are. It's not because they operate on server ticks that the game is doing it for us. The game isn't casting it for us, it's not planning the uses for us, it's really stupid to say that the game is "healing for us" and that we are bad for it.


What? Are you talking about Neutral Sect? So much for claiming to know AST, that's a level 80 and only applies to GCDs on a 2mins cooldown.


I will repeat no one is mad about shield or Nocturnal, we're just aware that Diurnal is numerically better, unlike you who claim regen users are bad at the game, that we're on high horses, and is looking forward Diurnal players failing in 6.0 or something like this. You're mad as hell, don't even.


SCH rewards skills and planning more than any other healer, it's alright in all type of content. It's not because YOU can't use the job that it's sloppy or a mess.

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Dark knght living dead sch has no aether flow to lustrate or exco= dead dark night or overall difficult to manage big trash pulls. = whm= benediction or solace, ast = es or light speed benefic 2 sling and overall both is able to big pull with no problem. Indom a rather weak heal aoe that need aether flow and has a 35 second cd where as helios/medica does not and overall again most it heal is too heavy on that aether flow mech.. Unlike you some who claim noct users are bad at the game or dont know how to play ast , yes your on your high horse just like how yall glad noct is begin gone instead of dirunal in 6.0 ^^

[ZedxKayn]

Dark knght living dead sch has no aether flow to lustrate or exco= dead dark night or overall difficult to manage big trash pulls. = whm= benediction or solace, ast = es or light speed benefic 2 sling and overall both is able to big pull with no problem. Indom a rather weak heal aoe that need aether flow and has a 35 second cd where as helios/medica does not and overall again most it heal is too heavy on that aether flow mech.. Unlike you some who claim noct users are bad at the game or dont know how to play ast , yes your on your high horse just like how yall glad noct is begin gone instead of dirunal in 6.0 ^^

Ruin II > Swiftcast > Dissipation > Physick > Recitation > Emergency Tactics > Adlo > Physick > Lustrate and it should definitely remove the debuff. It's probably harder to get out of Living Dead on AST than SCH tbh.

The difference between Indow and Helios/Medica is that the latter are GCDs and using them costs damage. Technically so does Indom but I'm not sure how the recent potency changes to ED affected it's use.

Also I'm not claiming Noct users don't know how to play AST, I'm claiming specifically you don't know how to play AST.

[IceBlueNinja]

After reading back through this thread's post twice just to be sure, I'm closely striding to the point where (my apologies beforehand..) I'm getting a strong inkling that you're either purely oblivious or simply trolling. I surely hope it's not the latter, because those experienced players were genuinely trying to dismiss many misconceptions/anecdotes with the given cold hard facts.

I never said you are -actually- clipping anything (hint: potentially). But WHMs in fact, has one particular ability that actually benefits them to clip its use if it means to have them constantly on cooldown. So that reply does explain something from this discussion Heck, I even wonder if we're actually talking about the same 'clipping'...

Look mate, we get it. You love Nocturnal Sect with passion. There's nothing wrong in that. Nobody says you are wrong to love Nocturnal. Nobody's 'hating' nocturnal like you have claimed nor implied so far in this thread. In fact some players (including myself) actually LOVES and don't mind to play nocturnal stance in some given time. Spreading misconceptions purely based by feeling while denying any form of opposing facts however, is the last thing these AST lovers wants to see---and frankly, it speaks a lot about yourself.

I do hope you'll find solace in playing Sage in 6.0 like you've replied to somebody else earlier because I feel like it's a lost cause trying to explain further, especially after numerous attempts and hints from the others. Bless

Is it a crime to reply to somebody who shares my opinion and what you and others brag about dirunal and saying rude things like not knowing how to play ast cause I have issue using it in dirunal as opposed to noct says alot about you and them too. You and some others do degrade people just because of one thing they may not use
well or not like. Also as you say we noct stance lovers get yall are compassionate about dirunal as well do too. It is fair now to say if am like oh my I cant play ether stances of this class and this class is whack or too complicated or has no use then it be more fair saying I just dont how to play it since am complaining about the entire thing of the class instead of one thing. One thing should not mean a person is entirely bad at it. Its like a fighting game where a person can have different opinions on a char. Some may find it too powerful or some may thing it lacks power but it dont mean that the one who think it lacks power means they just a bad player. It can just mean it dont fit their play style and aint their cup of tea I do not mind what people dislikes or like fine but when it becomes too far in degrading someone that they dont play something right it becomes very serious. Also with your last comment idk sarcastic or not so well if your not thank you, and if you are still have a blessed day yourself.

[IceBlueNinja]

Ruin II > Swiftcast > Dissipation > Physick > Recitation > Emergency Tactics > Adlo > Physick until it wears off if necessary. It's probably harder to get out of Living Dead on AST than SCH tbh.

The difference between Indow and Helios/Medica is that the latter are GCDs and using them costs damage. Technically so does Indom but I'm not sure how the recent potency changes to ED affected it's use.

Also I'm not claiming Noct users don't know how to play AST, I'm claiming specifically you don't know how to play AST.

This make no sense what your saying, I am a noct user lol. You saying other noct users know how to play ast but I dont who also is a noct user? that is alot of prep thing to counter trying to heal up a dark knight as sch . dignity=lower targets hp the more potency it is up to 1100pot mine crit up to 90kish on a tank + then a light speed benefic 2 also works just as well. umm there is some bosses that starts off with pretty big aoes even if its light parties so pre regen can be used.

[ZedxKayn]

This make no sense what your saying, I am a noct user lol. You saying other noct users know how to play ast but I dont who also is a noct user?

I'll reiterate, the sect is irrelevant, you either know AST or you don't. And what I'm saying is you don't know how to play AST.

that is alot of prep thing to counter trying to heal up a dark knight as sch . dignity=lower targets hp the more potency it is up to 1100pot mine crit up to 90kish on a tank + then a light speed benefic 2 also works just as well.

That's not prep, that's reaction and most likely overkill, and it's done within 3 to 4 GCDs. Yes it's a lot of work but that's what SCH is.

Crits are unreliable and just ED > LS > Bene 2 is very unlikely to make the cut.
Also you say SCH without Aetherflow so naturally I wrote that down with the handicap. Ruin II/Art of War > Recitation > Emergency Tactics > Ruin II > Excog > ____ > Adlo will work within 3GCDs as well and will be likely overkill too especially with a tethered fairy.