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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    All 4 tanks have a similar complexity so the lower performing tanks end up lower on the meta tier list. Similarly, if they had varying difficulty but similar outputs the difficult jobs would end up lower on the list.
    I wish that were the case. Warrior is simply significantly less complex than either Paladin or Gunbreaker, can't say much about Dark Knight since I tend to forget about it just as frequently as SE does. Those 500 dps and WAR's burst being on a 90 second timer are more likely the cause that it isn't very high on the tier list.
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    Kakita Ucalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    I wish that were the case. Warrior is simply significantly less complex than either Paladin or Gunbreaker, can't say much about Dark Knight since I tend to forget about it just as frequently as SE does. Those 500 dps and WAR's burst being on a 90 second timer are more likely the cause that it isn't very high on the tier list.
    PLD and GNB both have fairly simple and stable base rotations on rough 60s timers. Their optimized rotations might be more complex with Atonement and Burst Strike shifting, but at their core they are similar in complexity to WAR and DRK's buff+Gauge management. The superior party synergy of the 60s rotations is a major factor in both GNB and PLD's slightly superior output, but none of the tanks are significantly more or less complex than any other tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    PLD and GNB both have fairly simple and stable base rotations on rough 60s timers. Their optimized rotations might be more complex with Atonement and Burst Strike shifting, but at their core they are similar in complexity to WAR and DRK's buff+Gauge management. The superior party synergy of the 60s rotations is a major factor in both GNB and PLD's slightly superior output, but none of the tanks are significantly more or less complex than any other tank.
    Since I was talking about meta comps for speedrunning (just as an example) I'm of course talking about optimized play. If you just play all tanks at a very basic "just keep pressing buttons" kind of level they're not only similar but you're most likely gonna see better performance on warrior than on all the others, because there are fewer parts to warrior that one could mess up.
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    Since I was talking about meta comps for speedrunning (just as an example) I'm of course talking about optimized play. If you just play all tanks at a very basic "just keep pressing buttons" kind of level they're not only similar but you're most likely gonna see better performance on warrior than on all the others, because there are fewer parts to warrior that one could mess up.
    The only real "complexity" with Warrior is how IR can get screwed up if your ping spikes, though that is neither unique to Warrior nor the job who struggles with it the most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    I wish that were the case. Warrior is simply significantly less complex than either Paladin or Gunbreaker, can't say much about Dark Knight since I tend to forget about it just as frequently as SE does. Those 500 dps and WAR's burst being on a 90 second timer are more likely the cause that it isn't very high on the tier list.
    You're not missing much on Dark Knight. It's basically a WAR clone with "Darkness" as its defining feature. You can thank SE for that after the changes they made to the job in 5.x Delirium and Inner Release are basically the same thing. The only thing that truly separates both jobs is DRK's TBN skill.
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