Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
Why would Emet Selch lie about this? He outright states that they are tempered. We dont have a full knowledge of the echo (and honestly it can be what the devs want it to be including being able to see the future...) but wasnt it someone like Zenos who stated that its just a battle of who has more willpower?

Also do we know that the echo as we have it is something from the Ancient ones? Maybe it was even an unique talent even there.

Anyways Zodiark was summoned at a time where the magic of the Ancient ones were going fully out of control. What if part of his power was to temper the minds of the people, so that they wont lose that power again? Or maybe it was a unknown consequence of the deep wish that everything would be under control.

I was having thoughts along this line - although Emet did say that if he uttered a lie we would find it indistinguishable from the truth. If, as Elidibus goes on to explain in patch 5.2, the Echo is a fragment of the power of the power (a symphony, he referrs to it as) all Ancients possessed, how then were Ancients tempered? Unless we're into a situation with a scale and Zodiark was so overwhelmingly powerful that even the "symphony" was not enough? Zenos's overcoming of Shinryu rather suggests that relative power is a factor.