Fandaniel and the Depths of Ascian Tempering

[Alleo]

So what do you all think? Are the leftover sundered Ascians tempered? To what degree can they diverge from the Originals' plan? From what Zodiark wants?

Gaia would be a strong example that the sundered Ascians as soon as they aredestroyed once would not be tempered. Maybe thanks to the memories instead of somehow being tempered again (but then Gaia would have been too?) they simply agree with it and work under the unsundered ones or maybe they somehow get tempered again? I mean if Elidibus is some kind of primal maybe he has a hand in it?

I am someone that just wants the sound to be something natural. Not some kind of sentient being. But what if that is the case? What if something existed and its the one that twisted Fandaniels mind so much, that even as a sundered being he still in some way wants to help it. And recreating the final days might be its way to come back.

Or the memories of his old self have simply be too much and he lost his mind.

I think the idea that they're tempered is flawed from a number of angles.
First and pretty obviously, the Echo. It seemingly (Hydaelyn theories notwithstanding) allows all those who have it to effectively be immune to tempering, we even see Echo-users capable of outright shielding others from the aether of Primals. So, if all the Ancients had the Echo, how were they tempered?

Why would Emet Selch lie about this? He outright states that they are tempered. We dont have a full knowledge of the echo (and honestly it can be what the devs want it to be including being able to see the future...) but wasnt it someone like Zenos who stated that its just a battle of who has more willpower?

Also do we know that the echo as we have it is something from the Ancient ones? Maybe it was even an unique talent even there.

Anyways Zodiark was summoned at a time where the magic of the Ancient ones were going fully out of control. What if part of his power was to temper the minds of the people, so that they wont lose that power again? Or maybe it was a unknown consequence of the deep wish that everything would be under control.