This has now become beyond ridiculous!

[SturmChurro]

I really like the top two (right side) outfits. I wouldn't mind seeing those added to the game, they would look great on viera. The rogue outfit, that cloth wrap would make perfect sense, and would look great for viera ears - that's an example of a hat, or rather headgear that would work perfectly on viera, and something I wish SE would do. Not just clip helmets, but make a select few headpieces, adjusted specifically for the viera head. That would be awesome! Also, the second (Furthest top right), I really like the idea of smaller scale viera heels. The ones in game, while they look nice, are too much. They ruin pants, etc.

[Iscah]

It certainly isn't impossible to add, since some races can change features in the aesthetician other races don't even have, like limbal ring colour for Au Ra. They'd probably have to tweak how the hair is selected since it's tied to the face currently, but it doesn't seem impossible.

The reason Au Ra can change that setting is because it corresponds to the race-specific tattoos or earrings that other races have.

It doesn't seem possible for them to tweak the way Hrothgar hair is managed - it's like that in the first place because the hairstyle selection has been repurposed for fur pattern, presumably because that's the only way they could get colour selection into it.

The only way to make hairstyles customisable would be to add face choice to the aesthetician menu, if that's possible. It's outside their usual scope of what can be changed there - generally it allows for changes to decorations but not the actual face structure - also they might feel like it's a slippery slope from there to "why can we change our whole face but not elements like eye shape?" and the only way out of that inconsistency is to let everything be alterable, so they don't want to go there at all.

[FoxyAreku]

Amazing people think this is acceptable just because 'they warned us about it'.

Why did they need to warn us about it? Why is this something that has to happen in the first place?

Did you know a mod just released that puts the moogle hat on hrothgar/viera with no issue?

It's really pathetic that fans can mod this into the game so simply when square themselves can't seem to figure it out. Almost like they aren't trying.

And either way, it's downright despicable to have a hat be the only reward from an event that can't be used-this makes this event worthless for a portion of the playerbase. It's understandable to be upset about that.

[-JayJay-]

The reason Au Ra can change that setting is because it corresponds to the race-specific tattoos or earrings that other races have.

It doesn't seem possible for them to tweak the way Hrothgar hair is managed - it's like that in the first place because the hairstyle selection has been repurposed for fur pattern, presumably because that's the only way they could get colour selection into it.

The only way to make hairstyles customisable would be to add face choice to the aesthetician menu, if that's possible. It's outside their usual scope of what can be changed there - generally it allows for changes to decorations but not the actual face structure - also they might feel like it's a slippery slope from there to "why can we change our whole face but not elements like eye shape?" and the only way out of that inconsistency is to let everything be alterable, so they don't want to go there at all.

I mean, why not? I can completely understand disallowing the Aesthetician from changing something extreme like your race and/or clan, but why not allow him to let you alter any of the options for the race and clan you've chosen? As another poster previously suggested:

Honestly, I'm perfectly fine with Aesthetician being able to freely edit your character except for a race change. Just charge more gil for certain big-body changes.

[Doozer]

Amazing people think this is acceptable just because 'they warned us about it'.

Why did they need to warn us about it? Why is this something that has to happen in the first place?

Did you know a mod just released that puts the moogle hat on hrothgar/viera with no issue?

It's really pathetic that fans can mod this into the game so simply when square themselves can't seem to figure it out. Almost like they aren't trying.

And either way, it's downright despicable to have a hat be the only reward from an event that can't be used-this makes this event worthless for a portion of the playerbase. It's understandable to be upset about that.

Does it show for everyone or just those with the mods on (aka client-side)? There's a difference between showing something to yourself and making it work from their end. To act like a user-end mod is the same as making something work in-game is a joke. Just saying. The day someone makes a mod on their character visible to me without me installing any mods is the day I'll believe you.

[Penthea]

The day someone makes a mod on their character visible to me without me installing any mods is the day I'll believe you.

This is literally impossible given how mods like this work. They don't send information to the server which means other players can't see the effects. Due to these mods being against the ToS they don't send information to the server so that SE isn't alerted to their use. And even if they did send information to the server if your gaming rig doesn't have the necessary file info about the modded piece on display locally stored then you still won't be able to see it.

The point is that if an amateur can create a mod in which viera can wear hats, then a team of professionals with access to top-end equipment and monetary funding should be able to as well. Sure changing the game to facilitate viera hats is more difficult than a mod some rando makes...but then that's where the whole "they're qualified professionals with the necessary equipment and staff" comes in.

It never has been about SE being unable to do something. It's always been about what SE prioritise. It just sucks that viera and hrothgar are so far down the list that now we can't even look forward to in game events anymore given the most recent one had the only piece of gear that we can't use as the sole glam reward. It's like we don't exist.

[Doozer]

This is literally impossible given how mods like this work. They don't send information to the server which means other players can't see the effects. Due to these mods being against the ToS they don't send information to the server so that SE isn't alerted to their use. And even if they did send information to the server if your gaming rig doesn't have the necessary file info about the modded piece on display locally stored then you still won't be able to see it.

The point is that if an amateur can create a mod in which viera can wear hats, then a team of professionals with access to top-end equipment and monetary funding should be able to as well. Sure changing the game to facilitate viera hats is more difficult than a mod some rando makes...but then that's where the whole "they're qualified professionals with the necessary equipment and staff" comes in.

It never has been about SE being unable to do something. It's always been about what SE prioritise. It just sucks that viera and hrothgar are so far down the list that now we can't even look forward to in game events anymore given the most recent one had the only piece of gear that we can't use as the sole glam reward. It's like we don't exist.

My point was, a person making a mod that's client-side is not the same thing as it being implemented in-game. Not sure what was necessary to argue about that statement.

[Penthea]

My point was, a person making a mod that's client-side is not the same thing as it being implemented in-game. Not sure what was necessary to argue about that statement.

I even agreed with that statement and provided a reason as to why it's noteworthy, given you seem to think it's not this is why the debate sparked.

[Doozer]

I even agreed with that statement and provided a reason as to why it's noteworthy, given you seem to think it's not this is why the debate sparked.

What debate. I was replying to a person on page 14 about player-made mods. I wasn't debating anything.

[Penthea]

What debate. I was replying to a person on page 14 about player-made mods. I wasn't debating anything.

You're the one who said something about an argument first...I give up. Not worth my time wasting my post count on someone this pedantic.