Discrepancy in lore (spoilers)

[Vyrerus]

The guts quote was, if I remember it correctly, a quote directly from Yoshida himself.

Cool, Yoshi-P's wrong too.

[Alleo]

Cool, Yoshi-P's wrong too.

I am not even disagreeing with you on that since I dont like it when you compare strenght to someone that is not even part of the game but I wanted to make sure that this was not something a poster came up with.

In the end the devs will decide what they need at the moment. The WoLs greatest weakness is a cutscene after all. My character has every job at lvl 80. So when someone is taken hostage I could just be like "Well have a swiftcast sleep right in your face" but instead no matter how strong we are, as soon as a cutscene starts we are weak as lvl 1 adventurers.

[Vyrerus]

I am not even disagreeing with you on that since I dont like it when you compare strenght to someone that is not even part of the game but I wanted to make sure that this was not something a poster came up with.

In the end the devs will decide what they need at the moment. The WoLs greatest weakness is a cutscene after all. My character has every job at lvl 80. So when someone is taken hostage I could just be like "Well have a swiftcast sleep right in your face" but instead no matter how strong we are, as soon as a cutscene starts we are weak as lvl 1 adventurers.

Well, it is pleasing to know that Yoshida is a Berserk fan. I love Berserk, and I love Guts. Especially in the Berserker Armor. The power scaling for that character is nothing like the WoL's though, and many Berserk fans are even questioning how Miura is gonna write him to be able to actually defeat the Godhand.

[Bhearil]

I am not even disagreeing with you on that since I dont like it when you compare strenght to someone that is not even part of the game but I wanted to make sure that this was not something a poster came up with.

In the end the devs will decide what they need at the moment. The WoLs greatest weakness is a cutscene after all. My character has every job at lvl 80. So when someone is taken hostage I could just be like "Well have a swiftcast sleep right in your face" but instead no matter how strong we are, as soon as a cutscene starts we are weak as lvl 1 adventurers.

Remember during the banquet when you are lv 50 and some random mook guards detain you and tie you up like if you were a punk? On some jobs like monk (you have no weapons, so what? being unarmed doesnt instantly make your martial arts null) that has unlocked 7 chakras already is quite ridiculous unless Uldah guards are super beefed up and are Legatus level each one.

Wol has extreme cases of cutscene incompetence, plus most of the biggest threats were defeated due to external powers: Ultima got Hydaelyne personal intervention, Nidhogg got a Dragon Eye, Hades got 7 more Wols, Albert soul and the entire light collected till then, Elidibus got trapped in the Crystal tower forever due to Graha's help.

Its true that Wol defeated Thordan and Zenos with no external help amongst others, but the first by now is being power creeped as hell and the second is being stated to be a miracle to pull out a win. Other enemies like primals werent that strong, were weakened dut to story reasons, or the Wol was specifically buffed due to the Blessing of Light

Wol fame derives originally from being an Eikon Slayer due to the blessing of light making the tempering issue irrelevant and buffing the Wol during certain situations to godlike levels, something that Ysale even mentions in game during Heavensward.

[Veloran]

Remember during the banquet when you are lv 50 and some random mook guards detain you and tie you up like if you were a punk? On some jobs like monk (you have no weapons, so what? being unarmed doesnt instantly make your martial arts null) that has unlocked 7 chakras already is quite ridiculous unless Uldah guards are super beefed up and are Legatus level each one.

I just figured that was because WoL didn't want to slaughter a bunch of people. Later on Fray is like "Give up my weapon and go quietly? I don't think I'll be doing that again, thanks."

[Alleo]

I just figured that was because WoL didn't want to slaughter a bunch of people. Later on Fray is like "Give up my weapon and go quietly? I don't think I'll be doing that again, thanks."

Which is still a bit strange since the WoL should be at least able to punsh a bit especially if you are a monk. Also its not like we needed to slaughter people. As a BLM you can sleep them. Ýou can even bind them or simply knock them out. The WoL is really lucky that Raubahn helped us otherwise would we really just have sit there and let everyone else die? After all, when Raubahn did lose his arm and we did run away we suddenly remembered that we can fight...or at least the Scions did.

And if they took away our weapon how did we get it back?

Wol fame derives originally from being an Eikon Slayer due to the blessing of light making the tempering issue irrelevant and buffing the Wol during certain situations to godlike levels, something that Ysale even mentions in game during Heavensward.

I do believe that the WoL is strong on her/his very own. Even when we "lost" our blessing of light we still managed to beat quite a bunch of stuff. Also its not the blessing that stops from tempering, its the echo. Having the echo does not mean that you will also have a blessing. And if I remember it correctly we have no real grasp on what the blessing does to us, at least not completely.

So yes the sad thing is that our character is a powerhouse...until the cutscene starts...

That's fairly interesting. My first time through Stormblood my biggest question was, "But what has Zenos been through that makes him stronger than me?" It never really got answered, he just was.

I remember that I thought in a similar way especially when we were suddenly able to beat not only him but a powered up version of him. The same with Ranjit...I have a really hard time believing that suddenly there are people out there that are not even on our level but much more beyond that. Its a problem (imo) when you have a character that already defeated primals like Thordan and dealt with beings like Midgardsormr or Omega. You find it harder and harder to believe that a normal person can be on the same level...and unlike us who had to constantly fight for their lifes against greater and greater enemies, Zenos seemingly did none of that. What world ending threat did he fight? How will they explain that suddenly in Endwalker he will be at our level or even beyond that again? Or will they truly wait for him to eat one of the elder primals?

I know that there are great fighters all around the world and that the WoL still can make mistakes...but just having someone there who is somehow so much stronger than the PC and us still being able to beat them at the end...it just stops being believeable and I wonder how they will solve that in the future.

[LineageRazor]

Remember during the banquet when you are lv 50 and some random mook guards detain you and tie you up like if you were a punk? On some jobs like monk (you have no weapons, so what? being unarmed doesnt instantly make your martial arts null) that has unlocked 7 chakras already is quite ridiculous unless Uldah guards are super beefed up and are Legatus level each one.

In that particular case, I strongly felt that the WoL was voluntarily going along with the arrest. In the cutscene where the WoL was taken, there was no struggle whatsoever, no resistance, so it's not as though the WoL was overpowered. The WoL is innocent and knows it, and plays along to get to the bottom of the mystery. A struggle would have only strengthened the accusation of murder.

There may be instances of "cutscene incompetence", but this, in particular, I don't think is one of them.

Later on, when the WoL flees with the rest of the Scions might be a better example. Why flee, when the WoL could simply wipe out the pursuing forces? Again, though the WoL is innocent of the crime, and presuming that the truth is eventually uncovered, all those guards would still be dead, having died performing their duty and many, if not all of them legitimately believing they were in pursuit of guilty criminals. Given that flight was a viable alternative, why would the WoL choose to murder innocent soldiers performing their duty?

[Bhearil]

In that particular case, I strongly felt that the WoL was voluntarily going along with the arrest. In the cutscene where the WoL was taken, there was no struggle whatsoever, no resistance, so it's not as though the WoL was overpowered. The WoL is innocent and knows it, and plays along to get to the bottom of the mystery. A struggle would have only strengthened the accusation of murder.

There may be instances of "cutscene incompetence", but this, in particular, I don't think is one of them.

Later on, when the WoL flees with the rest of the Scions might be a better example. Why flee, when the WoL could simply wipe out the pursuing forces? Again, though the WoL is innocent of the crime, and presuming that the truth is eventually uncovered, all those guards would still be dead, having died performing their duty and many, if not all of them legitimately believing they were in pursuit of guilty criminals. Given that flight was a viable alternative, why would the WoL choose to murder innocent soldiers performing their duty?

Problem is that unless the Wol is stupid its obvious that it was set up as a scapegoat considering the Wol had to leave his/her weapons before the chat with the Sultana (not counting the hints here and there that something was amiss between the Crystal Braves), and just a few seconds after the Sultana "dies" a contingent of soldiers appear and instantly is accused as the poisoner culprit to eliminate loose ends. If it werent for plot armor the Wol would have executed shortly after without any kind of defence and his or her body ditched into a nameless grave. They werent going to jail the Wol they were going to straight execute him/her as soon as possible before the public or anyone influential could dig in the situation.

No one said to straight up murder the guards, but to knock them out shouldnt be such an impossible feat. To let them capture him/her was almost suicide on that situation, they werent looking for the true culprit the Wol WAS the culprit, and only punishment awaited (capital one due to regicide plus they wanted to eliminate the political threat the Wol had become do to their "hero" status and afiliation with the Sultana's cause).

[Frizze]

Problem is that unless the Wol is stupid its obvious that it was set up as a scapegoat considering the Wol had to leave his/her weapons before the chat with the Sultana (not counting the hints here and there that something was amiss between the Crystal Braves), and just a few seconds after the Sultana "dies" a contingent of soldiers appear and instantly is accused as the poisoner culprit to eliminate loose ends. If it werent for plot armor the Wol would have executed shortly after without any kind of defence and his or her body ditched into a nameless grave. They werent going to jail the Wol they were going to straight execute him/her as soon as possible before the public or anyone influential could dig in the situation.

No one said to straight up murder the guards, but to knock them out shouldnt be such an impossible feat. To let them capture him/her was almost suicide on that situation, they werent looking for the true culprit the Wol WAS the culprit, and only punishment awaited (capital one due to regicide plus they wanted to eliminate the political threat the Wol had become do to their "hero" status and afiliation with the Sultana's cause).

That(execution with no trial) might have been Teledji's plan for us. However, Teledji wasnt actually in control of the situation. Lolorito sniffed out what was going on, and took control behind the scenes to get his preferred outcome. Teledji's deadly poison was substituted with a sleeping potion. Lolo thought we would go along quietly, the evidence would show that no murder took place, and Teledji would take the blame for everything - a rival and clumsy schemer removed from the syndicate(along with enough evidence for the sultana to see that her plan wouldnt work). Of course, WE have no way of knowing all that at the time so our escape also makes perfect sense in the moment.

[Alleo]

Later on, when the WoL flees with the rest of the Scions might be a better example. Why flee, when the WoL could simply wipe out the pursuing forces? Again, though the WoL is innocent of the crime, and presuming that the truth is eventually uncovered, all those guards would still be dead, having died performing their duty and many, if not all of them legitimately believing they were in pursuit of guilty criminals. Given that flight was a viable alternative, why would the WoL choose to murder innocent soldiers performing their duty?

Why would we have to murder them? Just knocking them out would have solved the problem, especially when most of the scion then took their "last stand". Anyways the strangest thing is how we still somehow got our weapon back.