Yoshi P confirmed they CUT ultimate content from 6.0 not DELAY

[Starflake]

Then don't be upset that it doesn't have a lot of difficult content.

Of course the earlier expansions are relevant because they chose not to continue that type of raid environment. So even before Ultimate appeared in Stormblood, they've chosen to make Normal easy and Savage being as "hard" as it was in Gordias and Midas also did not survive HW as they decided Creator level was what they wanted. And when Ultimate appeared in SB, they chose not to do it after every tier.

So again, this game is not about having a lot of difficult content.

They are not worth more than you as a player, but if there are more of them, then collectively, their group could be worth more than your type of player who only likes two types of content in a two-year expansion.

I am not upset there is not a lot of difficult content. I am upset that there is a lot of non difficult content and there was apparently no way to cut some of that to deliver some.
I think I should follow that other person his advice as it is indeed like talking to a brick wall. Why are you repeating the same stupid phrases I already discussed?

Also, the argument that there are more is fair and thus we can argue in proportionate content. 3 actual difficult fights in seven years (as per your argument) versus 7 years of 24 man, extremes, normal modes, dungeons, blue mage, bozja, Eureka, relic farm, deep dungeon (with a party), normal mode raids, BA, gold saucer, Unreals, Ocean Fishing, Beast Tribes and the list goes on. Oh yes, oh no, oh why would someone like me who wants actual challenging content be upset and feel underrepresented. I wonder why. Time to stop acting like a clown mate.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

So what, savage 2nd coil, gordias, midas, and such no longer count as difficult content?

Why does the bar for difficult content keep shrinking?

I mean, sure, my group walled at titan in weapons refrain, but I didn't find the mechanics that difficult. I just didn't want to have multiple statics to clear content. I'm happy we're I'm at.

[linayar]

I am not upset there is not a lot of difficult content. I am upset that there is a lot of non difficult content and there was apparently no way to cut some of that to deliver some.
I think I should follow that other person his advice as it is indeed like talking to a brick wall. Why are you repeating the same stupid phrases I already discussed?

Also, the argument that there are more is fair and thus we can argue in proportionate content. 3 actual difficult fights in seven years (as per your argument) versus 7 years of 24 man, extremes, normal modes, dungeons, blue mage, bozja, Eureka, relic farm, deep dungeon (with a party), normal mode raids, BA, gold saucer, Unreals, Ocean Fishing, Beast Tribes and the list goes on. Oh yes, oh no, oh why would someone like me who wants actual challenging content be upset and feel underrepresented. I wonder why. Time to stop acting like a clown mate.

Your way of categorizing content (casual vs noncasual) is too limiting. Triple triad and chocobo racing, for example, are not the same type of content and may appeal to different people. So no, I don't think you're underrepresented at all considering not everyone does every content in the game.

[Starflake]

Your way of categorizing content (casual vs noncasual) is too limiting. Triple triad and chocobo racing, for example, are not the same type of content and may appeal to different people. So no, I don't think you're underrepresented at all considering not everyone does every content in the game.

Maybe I should make the list a bit longer even.

Yes, Valkyrie, Savage 2nd coil, Gordias and Midas I can count as difficult content. But that is a long time ago (I was using the seven years to make fun of the argument prior). I didn't even think TEA was that difficult but it scratched the itch adequately. But let me stick to the argument at hand by Linayar. Not everybody does Ultimate either, although there is most certainly a fair attendance, and most certainly the biggest reception in the game viewer wise. So people are definitely interested in Ultimate. But you missed the point once again. The reason for the list, which isn't even half complete, is that there is plenty of casual content to CHOOSE from. I don't get that choice, therefore I am left "in the dark" and therefore I am unhappy about it. Anyway I've had about enough about this nonsense. For me there is no point anymore moaning about it as I have stopped playing the game till late 5.5 and heading into 6.0 and if by then it's confirmed we only get one Ultimate, I will quit the game altogether. No point in staying if I'm not having fun.

[linayar]

So what, savage 2nd coil, gordias, midas, and such no longer count as difficult content?

Why does the bar for difficult content keep shrinking?

I mean, sure, my group walled at titan in weapons refrain, but I didn't find the mechanics that difficult. I just didn't want to have multiple statics to clear content. I'm happy we're I'm at.

Well, personally, contents like Extreme trial is already too hard. So Extreme, Savage, DR Savage, and Ultimate might as well be the same content to me. Thus, it's interesting when people blame DR Savage on casuals when casual is a very broad group and, more than likely, DR Savage was added for the less casual group of the community.

Maybe I should make the list a bit longer even.

Yes, Valkyrie, Savage 2nd coil, Gordias and Midas I can count as difficult content. But that is a long time ago (I was using the seven years to make fun of the argument prior). I didn't even think TEA was that difficult but it scratched the itch adequately. But let me stick to the argument at hand by Linayar. Not everybody does Ultimate either, although there is most certainly a fair attendance, and most certainly the biggest reception in the game viewer wise. So people are definitely interested in Ultimate. But you missed the point once again. The reason for the list, which isn't even half complete, is that there is plenty of casual content to CHOOSE from. I don't get that choice, therefore I am left "in the dark" and therefore I am unhappy about it. Anyway I've had about enough about this nonsense. For me there is no point anymore moaning about it as I have stopped playing the game till late 5.5 and heading into 6.0 and if by then it's confirmed we only get one Ultimate, I will quit the game altogether. No point in staying if I'm not having fun.

Increasing the list wouldn't make a difference. Plenty of casual content to choose from is irrelevant as people don't choose from a list of casual content, but from a list of content. Every content that the game releases is part of the list that you choose to do or not to do.

[Starflake]

Well, personally, contents like Extreme trial is already too hard. So Extreme, Savage, DR Savage, and Ultimate might as well be the same content to me. Thus, it's interesting when people blame DR Savage on casuals when casual is a very broad group and, more than likely, DR Savage was added for the less casual group of the community.

Increasing the list wouldn't make a difference. Plenty of casual content to choose from is irrelevant as people don't choose from a list of casual content, but from a list of content. Every content that the game releases is part of the list that you choose to do or not to do.

Again, this is not true. The reason I am no longer subscribed is precisely because I have no option to choose from any content I like (challenging content). See, you are just as dismissive as the other toxic "casual" players in here. You don't understand these people, you just see through your own tunnel vision.

[linayar]

Again, this is not true. The reason I am no longer subscribed is precisely because I have no option to choose from any content I like (challenging content). See, you are just as dismissive as the other toxic "casual" players in here. You don't understand these people, you just see through your own tunnel vision.

Ok, so how is you not liking Savage content because it's too easy different from me not liking Savage content because it's too hard? At the end of the day, if that's all that FFXIV offers, neither of us would subscribe. And if you refuse to believe this, then it's you who are being dismissive.

The difference is that FFXIV has Normal and Ultimate as well, but FFXIV has more Normal content because it's easier to develop and there are more people who would do Normal over Ultimate (not even counting people who have to do Normal to do Savage to do Ultimate). So it's not underrepresentation when you have 1 or 2 Ultimate in an expansion over 12 for Normal/Savage.

[Starflake]

Ok, so how is you not liking Savage content because it's too easy different from me not liking Savage content because it's too hard? At the end of the day, if that's all that FFXIV offers, neither of us would subscribe. And if you refuse to believe this, then it's you who are being dismissive.

The difference is that FFXIV has Normal and Ultimate as well, but FFXIV has more Normal content because it's easier to develop and there are more people who would do Normal over Ultimate (not even counting people who have to do Normal to do Savage to do Ultimate). So it's not underrepresentation when you have 1 or 2 Ultimate in an expansion over 12 for Normal/Savage.

It isn't different, which is why we go back to giving content proportionally. I am growing tired of having to repeat myself over and over again while you then proclaim me being dismissive. You are jailed by your own bias so badly that you keep repeating the same things completely disregarding what is actually being said. You can also stop with the false equivalencies. It's not about 12 NM/Savage v 1-2 Ultimates. It's about all of those plus all of the other things I already mentioned. Again, you are purposefully omitting information to suit your own tunnel vision.

[linayar]

It's not about 12 NM/Savage v 1-2 Ultimates. It's about all of those plus all of the other things I already mentioned.

Nope, because my question to you applies to those other things as well. So what's the difference between you not liking chocobo racing vs me not liking chocobo racing? It doesn't matter how many list of contents you have. It's not simply about difficult content vs not-difficult contents.

You simply like too few contents that this game offers, and the game simply doesn't cater to you alone. It's time to stop being upset over it and either quit this game entirely or at least supplement it with other games that would "scratch your itch" in terms of difficult content.

[Starflake]

Nope, because my question to you applies to those other things as well. So what's the difference between you not liking chocobo racing vs me not liking chocobo racing? It doesn't matter how many list of contents you have. It's not simply about difficult content vs not-difficult contents.

Are you being serious or are you trolling at the moment? It's about content that is for everyone and right now there is plenty of content for a more casual group and there is almost no content for someone like me. That's it, that's all there is to it and I have to wait years at a time before it actually releases. All the other mindless things I do like Expert Roulette and Hunts (for materia) etc and even Savage is only to get ready for the content I actually want to do, ULTIMATE. Oh how I wish the roles were reversed sometimes
Where all we had was Ultimate level content and once in a while, they would release an easy 24 man Nier raid! Then I could be like:

ThiS GaMe iS JuSt MeAnt FoR HaRdcoRe PlayErs. Tough luck bro. You mean you would have appreciated it if we dropped one of the 50 hardcore pieces of content so you get something you enjoy a bit more? That's toxic! But no, I wouldn't be like that, I would sympathize and I would in fact agree that everyone deserves something and people shouldn't be waiting for over 2 or three years to get something specifically to their needs. Otherwise you just stop playing, which as I stated before, I will.