Yoshi P confirmed they CUT ultimate content from 6.0 not DELAY

[Themarvin]

Sorry developers is going to focus on the gamers first playing this game, Ultimates is only possible extras, but first of all there is going to be something for everyone to do, and not just a select few people.

[Starflake]

Sorry developers is going to focus on the gamers first playing this game, Ultimates is only possible extras, but first of all there is going to be something for everyone to do, and not just a select few people.

Yes, because casual content isn't abundant in this game. How people can say with a straight face that everyone needs content while there is no Ultimate content for over 2 years and no Deep Dungeon for over three is nothing short of amazing. Like what kind of mental gymnastics must people perform to conjure up this statement? There is plenty of casual content to go around. SHB has been a disaster for challenging content.

[ItMe]

And here we observe the polite and friendly casual, defending the game from the "toxic" elite. I love these posts.

I thought Wrestlefire769 was Titanmen?

[Ammokkx]

I thought Wrestlefire769 was Titanmen?

Probably likely. I had the same thought, but I already made my post so eeeeeh...

...This forum has kind of a massive problem with trolls, huh?

[linayar]

Yes, because casual content isn't abundant in this game. How people can say with a straight face that everyone needs content while there is no Ultimate content for over 2 years and no Deep Dungeon for over three is nothing short of amazing. Like what kind of mental gymnastics must people perform to conjure up this statement? There is plenty of casual content to go around. SHB has been a disaster for challenging content.

There is no mental gymnastics needed because this game has never been about having plenty of very difficult content. You keep repeating that time frame (2 years for Ultimate and 3 years for Deep Dungeon), but if you look at the bigger picture, that's no Ultimate in ARR/HW, 2 in SB, and 1 in ShB. Meanwhile, it's 1 Deep Dungeon in HW (or is it ARR?), 1 in SB, 0 in ShB.

At the same time, an abundant amount of casual content doesn't mean anything since not everyone is into every content, even if they're all "casual" content.

And let's take a look at what you said earlier:

I'm quite tired of toxic people telling me that just because the majority of people don't do said content, I shouldn't be getting said content.

The point is that the devs have limited amount of time to work on content, and depending on how long it takes to develop certain content, it can take a long time between new iterations of that content, should they even want to have new iterations.

Over two years and for an Ultimate, over three years for a Deep Dungeon. These are the things I care about the most. Potentially an Ultimate cut and looking at 1 Ultimate per expansion and people really out there acting like I can't be upset by that.

In over 7+ years since the launch of ARR, there have only been 3 Ultimates and 2 Deep Dungeons. You being upset over that is not going to vastly increase the number of Ultimate and Deep Dungeon that they release because of said development time needed.

The "casual" community in FFXIV is the most toxic community I have ever seen. Toxic positivity in its worst form. It also happens to be the worst community I've seen in general that puts in the effort. So I guess it makes sense that you guys getting farming content, crafter revamps nobody asks for, parasols, blue mage you only level and don't even do savage with, flying in ARR and reskinned extreme (unreal) for reskinned mount awards etc is just so much better than players like me who would like a hard fight twice in three years lmao. Got it

If you think a person is toxic for telling others that their content is not needed because said person doesn't want that type of content, then you are being toxic here, and hypocritical about it too. Just because you don't see a lot of people wanting certain types of content, it doesn't mean SE is wrong for developing said content and seeing if there are people who may enjoy said content.

[Vahlnir]

Probably likely. I had the same thought, but I already made my post so eeeeeh...

...This forum has kind of a massive problem with trolls, huh?

It's like the rest of the internet, honestly. If anything these forums are actually pretty tame by comparison.

[LyraleiManagem]

Yes, because casual content isn't abundant in this game. How people can say with a straight face that everyone needs content while there is no Ultimate content for over 2 years and no Deep Dungeon for over three is nothing short of amazing. Like what kind of mental gymnastics must people perform to conjure up this statement? There is plenty of casual content to go around. SHB has been a disaster for challenging content.

Ultimately most people care most about what they want, and anyone other than “us” can be damned. Empathy is a rare trait and this applies to both elite and casual.
To be fair the one posting this thread chose to attack some other content which is expected to meet with backlash.
Though i’d guess even if this is a polite complain towards we not seeing 3 ultimates and could end up getting only 1 in EW. You’ll still see people telling you “how dare you elite minority dare to ask more” and “dev team did nothing wrong”, in a polite, sugar-coated way maybe. And you will still see people arguing out of bad faith.
All i wanted to say is that dont take the conversation here too seriously.

[Starflake]

There is no mental gymnastics needed because this game has never been about having plenty of very difficult content. You keep repeating that time frame (2 years for Ultimate and 3 years for Deep Dungeon), but if you look at the bigger picture, that's no Ultimate in ARR/HW, 2 in SB, and 1 in ShB. Meanwhile, it's 1 Deep Dungeon in HW (or is it ARR?), 1 in SB, 0 in ShB.

At the same time, an abundant amount of casual content doesn't mean anything since not everyone is into every content, even if they're all "casual" content.

And let's take a look at what you said earlier:

The point is that the devs have limited amount of time to work on content, and depending on how long it takes to develop certain content, it can take a long time between new iterations of that content, should they even want to have new iterations.

In over 7+ years since the launch of ARR, there have only been 3 Ultimates and 2 Deep Dungeons. You being upset over that is not going to vastly increase the number of Ultimate and Deep Dungeon that they release because of said development time needed.

If you think a person is toxic for telling others that their content is not needed because said person doesn't want that type of content, then you are being toxic here, and hypocritical about it too. Just because you don't see a lot of people wanting certain types of content, it doesn't mean SE is wrong for developing said content and seeing if there are people who may enjoy said content.

Nobody is claiming that this game is about having a lot of difficult content. It has almost no difficult content. For a lot of players, including myself, even savage is too easy. Which is why I and others are looking forward to progging one fight for a longer time, and getting some actual satisfaction from clearing. What you don't seem to understand either is that the raiding scene has evolved. ARR and HW content not having Ultimate content is fine. In ARR people were new and the "savage" back then was challenging enough as is. Besides the T6-T9 turns that did get a difficulty increase are pretty much ultimate tier level, just spread out over different fights. HW Alexander tier had the first two hardest entry savage tiers from it all so there was no real need. It got introduced in SB where savage took a decrease in difficulty.

So nice try with the "only 3 ultimates and two deep dungeons in 7 years". We should have gotten 4 Ultimates over 2 expansions, the earlier ones is irrelevant. You are an opportunist sharing nonsense in order to make your argument seem better. Also no idea what the useless statement " you being upset isn't going to increase the number of DD and Ultimates". Asinine comments as usual.

No, I don't think a person is toxic for telling their content is needed. I think they are toxic because they find it amusing and they think that they are worth more than me as a player. That I don't get to have fun and it's somehow funny for them. So again, nice attempts to try and hyperbole the crap out of what I am saying.

[Stormfur]

It all boils down to "what will attract more people to the game and get them to stay subscribed?"

A. An incredibly difficult battle that is intended for only the top 1% of the 1% of players? OR
B. A relaxing farm simulator where you need to check in on your crops and feed the cows every morning?

I feel for those high-end raiders looking forward to ultimate... I really do. But don't kid yourself... when crunch time comes, Expansion > you.

[linayar]

Nobody is claiming that this game is about having a lot of difficult content. It has almost no difficult content.

Then don't be upset that it doesn't have a lot of difficult content.

For a lot of players, including myself, even savage is too easy. Which is why I and others are looking forward to progging one fight for a longer time, and getting some actual satisfaction from clearing. What you don't seem to understand either is that the raiding scene has evolved. ARR and HW content not having Ultimate content is fine. In ARR people were new and the "savage" back then was challenging enough as is. Besides the T6-T9 turns that did get a difficulty increase are pretty much ultimate tier level, just spread out over different fights. HW Alexander tier had the first two hardest entry savage tiers from it all so there was no real need. It got introduced in SB where savage took a decrease in difficulty.

So nice try with the "only 3 ultimates and two deep dungeons in 7 years". We should have gotten 4 Ultimates over 2 expansions, the earlier ones is irrelevant. You are an opportunist sharing nonsense in order to make your argument seem better. Also no idea what the useless statement " you being upset isn't going to increase the number of DD and Ultimates". Asinine comments as usual.

Of course the earlier expansions are relevant because they chose not to continue that type of raid environment. So even before Ultimate appeared in Stormblood, they've chosen to make Normal easy and Savage being as "hard" as it was in Gordias and Midas also did not survive HW as they decided Creator level was what they wanted. And when Ultimate appeared in SB, they chose not to do it after every tier.

So again, this game is not about having a lot of difficult content.

No, I don't think a person is toxic for telling their content is needed. I think they are toxic because they find it amusing and they think that they are worth more than me as a player. That I don't get to have fun and it's somehow funny for them. So again, nice attempts of this community to try and hyperbole the crap out of what I am saying.

They are not worth more than you as a player, but if there are more of them, then collectively, their group could be worth more than your type of player who only likes two types of content in a two-year expansion.

At any rate, why are you focusing on people who think the situation is funny when there are other perspectives that don't think it's funny but can still understand SE's decision.