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  1. #101
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    Iiiiiiiiiiit's Meeeee
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtlesAWD View Post
    Is everything that's "bad" also "cheating?" Is anything that's "cheating" also "bad?" I don't think you've really got a clear case for that.
    They're not making a case for that.
    They explicitly said "or."
    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    "cheating" or "bad"
    (Emphasis mine)
    These things aren't one and the same. That's why they had to use "or."
    Either it is cheating or it is bad.
    If they were a ven diagram there would be space where these ideas overlap, but they are not synonymous.

    This thread is (somehow) getting heated enough.
    Let's take a moment to fully read each others posts before jumping down each others throats.
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  2. #102
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    Thanks for the laugh OP, the comedy writes itself sometimes. No sympathy for bots over here.
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  3. #103
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    Coven Whitewolf
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    Sage Lv 100
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  4. #104
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    Jake Moriarty
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    What can I say except YIKES.
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  5. #105
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    Jijifli Kokofli
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtlesAWD View Post
    While she obviously didn't think the guy should be freed it's pretty clear her reaction is miles away from what you're hypothesizing.
    I really wanna focus on this part here, because I feel like you're not understand what I was originally putting forward.

    If you do somethings that is against rules, and it also has negative impacts on others for your own gain, you should receive punishment for it.

    You're even saying yourself in your statement to push against me that she didn't think they should be free for what they did. You can feel bad for people who do wrong things, without also letting the wrong thing slip by. OP broke the rules, and their actions easily could have punished somebody else out of something they worked hard for, without any effort on her own end. It's honestly the closest to stealing a house you can get here.
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  6. #106
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtlesAWD View Post
    Is everything that's "bad" also "cheating?" Is anything that's "cheating" also "bad?" I don't think you've really got a clear case for that. If that's your position, that The System is perfectly implemented, perfectly good and must be obeyed in all ways, why are you relying on further systemic circumvention as a "Just" punishment for improper behavior? Is your perfect system incapable of handling those who stray from its commandments? Doesn't sound very perfect to me.
    Found another cheater.
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  7. #107
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Missbone View Post
    Im surly no cheater and dislike bots in mmos like everyone else, but because of the mentioned circumstances and other stuff i also was very very close to start using something like an autoclicker because i got lucky after several weeks. But i could only do that because i had a lot of free time back than, today is highly possible that i would start using this stuff after a few days and not weeks because of my new daily routine. Everyone can decide for themselves if that makes me a bad person or not.
    So you're against cheating until cheating gives you something you want and then it's okay.

    The housing system is shit, but so is this excuse.
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  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barwara View Post
    Not that I’ve done if, but I don’t personally consider using a scripted program to auto click on the placard ‘cheating’.
    Doesn't matter what your personal viewpoint is. Using 3rd party programs in the game is against ToS and is cheating.
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  9. #109
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    Gunnar Mel'nik
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon_Kito View Post
    Bless you for trying to reach these kiiiiids and defend sanity. Been a joy reading you. Just wanted to let you know.

    Thank you, I do my best. Even being someone who's grown up playing video games that have cheat codes built in, I understand the difference between cheating in a singleplayer game when the creators allow it and cheating in a multiplayer game when it's involves third-party tools and/or goes against the rules made by the creators.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphor View Post
    Found another cheater.
    I thought I sniffed out something when I got back. It's weird how people are just coming out of the woodworks to say they don't think cheating is cheating. I hope someone at SE or a GM is watching this thread, lol.
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  10. #110
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    Myori Mittens
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    I see mods also have a good sense of humor moving this from bugs, to technical support, to general discussion so everyone gets to see the karma in action ♥
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