LET PEOPLE CHANGE CLASS AT THE START OF DELUBRUM

[Laphicet]

It may not be easy to specify it to this level, but I'd say you only really need to guarantee one tank for the entire instance.

Don't even need that, just use a healer with templar essence, plus the Lost Incense action and congratulations, you have a green tank with more self-sustain than any of the existing tanks, even WAR.

You can even do this with a shield+wand combo on WHM for the block memes, too.

[Brightamethyst]

Some of this is on the players. People can take up a tank role as a DPS if they wanted to, but they don't come forward, they don't want to put in the effort.
We have this new, different, alternative content that shakes up the meta (something people ask for all the time) but people don't engage with it.

It's on the game, not the players. DPS can heal, healers can tank! Yeah, but if I wanted to tank I would have signed up as a tank. If I queued as a healer, clearly tanking was not my goal. I don't mind tanking if need be, but if I have to I'd rather just switch to a tank job instead of using lost actions to fake it.

[Themarvin]

It's on the game, not the players. DPS can heal, healers can tank! Yeah, but if I wanted to tank I would have signed up as a tank. If I queued as a healer, clearly tanking was not my goal. I don't mind tanking if need be, but if I have to I'd rather just switch to a tank job instead of using lost actions to fake it.

It is on the game, if you want to play the game, play by the games rules, in this case group composition is not relevant, the skills and abilities you get with the system is relevant, this is optional content, not enforced, if don't like it, play something else inside FFXIV, also you can do POTD for the step which follows the exact same rules as Delubrum... once inside you can't change class, during progres you can't change class, it is the setting of the game as it is.

It is refreshing to play like this in a more full scale raid type... I have tanked/healed and DPS'ed it, its fun.

[Brightamethyst]

also you can do POTD for the step which follows the exact same rules as Delubrum... once inside you can't change class, during progres you can't change class, it is the setting of the game as it is.

That's... not even remotely the same thing. Deep Dungeons are designed around not needing a tank or healer in the first place, not around having to fake it as a different job. No one queues for HoH, sees four DPS, and says "well I guess the DRG is healing today."

[SturmChurro]

Fortunately, I never had this happen to me. I wouldn't even know that existed were it not for the forum.

What people seem to forget is that DR and the way it's set up is a design decision (well, duh, I hear you say, but hear me out).

The devs aren't stupid. Of course you'd probably end up with a group that isn't all that favourable. And that's exactly why the rather giant blue chest is even there. It's not even tugged into a corner if I recall correctly. You have to walk around it. If it's too much mental gymnastics to see a connection there I don't know what will, shy of a neon arrow pointing at it.

I love QoL improvements as much as the next cat daddy, but we really need to stop sacrificing meaningful decisions to it, if you ask me. And Bozja is that little piece of content where you are kind of expected to talk with one another. Nothing wrong with that.

Not only that, if I recall correctly, the game actually mentions lost actions multiple times, and at the start of DR. People still somehow ignore it, and don't bother with them. Like, what can you do?

While the devs want players to experiment with lost actions, you're rewarded with practically none upon completing Delubrum itself. This pushes people to go out of their way to farm potential actions for no real benefit, or worse. It just wastes time.

I ran out of DPS actions myself with the dozens I have done, and I haven't bothered to go and get more, buying or farming. I just play on my RDM now for DR - which I think I am moderately decent at (when mechanics aren't killing me) - and hope others use essences. Admittedly, I am part of the problem.

Yeah, it seems contrary to what I've been arguing, but I used my essences until I ran out. Some people flat out refuse or don't use any even when they have them.

The devs did a horrendous job with the relic this expansion. Delubrum's lackluster rewards is one such problem.

I completely agree.

[TurtlesAWD]

Begging the gamers to click their box full of potions so they make life easier on all of us.

Traveller, I promise you, the potions are not too strong for you. You can handle the potions.

[Themarvin]

That's... not even remotely the same thing. Deep Dungeons are designed around not needing a tank or healer in the first place, not around having to fake it as a different job. No one queues for HoH, sees four DPS, and says "well I guess the DRG is healing today."

Hence, you get the additional tools to become a tank, there is even a mimic skill, check what is needed to begin with, as freely can quit group and move to another and trade around that way, if you are so unfortunate that you run into a group that has neither or barely anything in all the groups.

The challenge in this mode is in that you have to use what you got, and dodge stuff for no penalty.

[Jojoya]

The Lost Action and Essence system in Bozja and DR essentially breaks down the role system as it is.

It might break down the role system but it doesn't remove the role system. That is where the problem lies.

You still need players filling the tank role. You still need players filling the healing role. There are plenty of players who are not comfortable in those roles and so avoid them.

Do you really want that one player who just happens to have the right Lost Actions forced into tanking when they've never tanked before?

Why should that one player have the responsibility of being forced out of performing the role they had chosen before entering into one they are not experienced or comfortable with when others in the group don't have to?

We have this new, different, alternative content that shakes up the meta (something people ask for all the time) but people don't engage with it.

Most players don't care about alternate content that shakes up the meta because it doesn't affect what they enjoy about the game. That's a request from the EX/Savage players who are tired of the EX/Savage formula at end game.

The average player has been told their relic weapons lies behind completing this content so they want to do the content in the role they enjoy so they can ultimately get their reward.

Since the content has no role restrictions they should be able to perform the role they enjoy without others demanding they spend their time farming to get the correct Lost Actions to take on a different role, correct?

If the point was to have content with no role restrictions, SE did it wrong. They should have looked back at Rathalos - The Great Hunt for content that genuinely has no role restrictions and designed it in a similar fashion.

SE has presented the content to the player base in a misleading fashion. It shouldn't be surprising anyone that there are now problems as a result.

[ItMe]

It's on the game, not the players. DPS can heal, healers can tank! Yeah, but if I wanted to tank I would have signed up as a tank. If I queued as a healer, clearly tanking was not my goal. I don't mind tanking if need be, but if I have to I'd rather just switch to a tank job instead of using lost actions to fake it.

That's a good point.
If the actions are potent enough to turn SMN into a full healer, they can be extra potent in the hands of a full healer, not faking it with SMN.
Using them to round out a class, to give yourself a more versatile tool kit, is one thing.
But using them to pretend you qued as something else is... not ideal.

[TurtlesAWD]

There's nothing pretend about it, the cure and regen potency on healing lost actions is insane.

I'd say if someone queued up as a specific role because they want to play that role, they should queue up for content that expects that job to fill that role. If someone's queueing for DR to just pretend the other 23 players don't exist maybe they should play one of those MMOs where groups are mere happenstance and attempting to communicate gets you kicked. It isn't a bad thing to expect people to work together.