Instead of cutting Ultimate from 5.5 why not cut bozja?

[MPK]

Over 60,000 people have the Ozma mount according to Lalachievements, on the other hand, 1460 people have cleared Delubrum (Tracked via Cerberus mount), still new content so this isn't really anything to judge. which is fairly reliable to track since mounts are publicly available information regardless, but achievements for Ultimate on the other hand are in some cases are not publicly trackable so that's always going to be inaccurate, but going by this approx 9-11K holders per encounter. Likely a lot of player overlap, however.

Lalachievements said 22k clears


vs Ultimates which has 9-12k


Even then ultimate are a ultimate level fight while the BA is an alliance raid level fight

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Lalachievements said 22k clears


vs Ultimates which has 9-12k


Even then ultimate are a ultimate level fight while the BA is an alliance raid level fight

But the mounts show exactly how many people have completed it at least once, since you can't hide mounts. You can hide achievements.

[MPK]

But the mounts show exactly how many people have completed it at least once, since you can't hide mounts. You can hide achievements.

Oh man casuals love savage content huh



Edit: I hope you guys realize that Ramuh is a DROP vs a GUARANTEED reward

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Oh man casuals love savage content huh



Edit: I hope you guys realize that Ramuh is a DROP vs a GUARANTEED reward

You know what, I'm impressed how many people have ozma.

You know, considering what it's locked behind.

Also, did you know it's way easier to get your point across when you aren't throwing a tantrum?

I do savage. I enjoy savage. I also enjoy most other aspects of the game. Maybe you should spend more time finding things you enjoy and less time thinking things will suck. A negative mindset only fuels more negativity.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

You know what, I'm impressed how many people have ozma.

You know, considering what it's locked behind.

Also, did you know it's way easier to get your point across when you aren't throwing a tantrum?

I do savage. I enjoy savage. I also enjoy most other aspects of the game. Maybe you should spend more time finding things you enjoy and less time thinking things will suck. A negative mindset only fuels more negativity.

I have learned that there no reasoning with this child. Last night was the last time I'm engaging with this troll because he a waste of time and energy. Let him and the other who stroke his ego complain and bitch because at the end of the day SE will never do anything they enjoy. Even if SE bends over and does everything this guy and others want they will always find something else to complain about. They want everyone to be a hardcore raider and not to be allowed to play the game casually way. If it was up to him the casual gamers would be ban from all games and not allow to enjoy anything. I'm just happy with the fact that I enjoy this game every day when I play while MPK lives in misery and have nothing better to do but complain that the game isn't tailor-made for his needs.

[Kaurhz]

Lalachievements said 22k clears


vs Ultimates which has 9-12k


Even then ultimate are a ultimate level fight while the BA is an alliance raid level fight

You don't make a very compelling argument considering the tedium of getting into BA in the first place. Besides, you can't attack people for preaching the availability of casual content like Bozja in general over Ultimates, whilst simultaneously trying to attack clear rates of Ozma vs Ramuh. All you do in this case is argue yourself into a corner, which in itself is an impressive feat, well done! There are some issues with BA in the first place, wherein you don't get the mount or achievement if you get sucked out of the platform, which is an inevitability if you die, so arguably, even more, have participated. But again, see italicized text.

[Vahlnir]

You don't make a very compelling argument considering the tedium of getting into BA in the first place. Besides, you can't attack people for preaching the availability of casual content like Bozja in general over Ultimates, whilst simultaneously trying to attack clear rates of Ozma vs Ramuh. All you do in this case is argue yourself into a corner, which in itself is an impressive feat, well done! There are some issues with BA in the first place, wherein you don't get the mount or achievement if you get sucked out of the platform, which is an inevitability if you die, so arguably, even more, have participated. But again, see italicized text.

Honestly, I tried. Perhaps my tone could have been a bit more...civil, but it's frustrating trying to argue an opposing point of view like this when the other side doesn't want to hear it. I'm guessing someone said it pretty well earlier, this sort of debate doesn't end well. It can also get pretty heated. Might be best to just let this debate go, to be honest.

[Mahoukenshi]

Honestly, I tried. Perhaps my tone could have been a bit more...civil, but it's frustrating trying to argue an opposing point of view like this when the other side doesn't want to hear it. I'm guessing someone said it pretty well earlier, this sort of debate doesn't end well. It can also get pretty heated. Might be best to just let this debate go, to be honest.

Pretty much. This kind of discussions, no matter how "well-intended" at first, always turn into a garbage fest of mud or excrement throwing of toxic casuals vs toxic raiders as these two micro factions scream (and insult each other) louder than the normal-tempered members of both sides together.
And I say that as a "filthy" low-skilled casual with a defining degree of laziness (and disinteresse) of gitting gud *shrugs*.

[Kaurhz]

Honestly, I tried. Perhaps my tone could have been a bit more...civil, but it's frustrating trying to argue an opposing point of view like this when the other side doesn't want to hear it. I'm guessing someone said it pretty well earlier, this sort of debate doesn't end well. It can also get pretty heated. Might be best to just let this debate go, to be honest.

Don't feel too reflective about it, this topic was a self-fulfilling disaster because ultimately the crux of it comes down to an unwinnable decision on the part of Square Enix, and one that would come down as a harsh reality for whichever party that would receive the short end of the stick.