Instead of cutting Ultimate from 5.5 why not cut bozja?

[technole]

The communication from the developers was just awful, and clearly intended to keep people subbed and not done in good faith. It's been a pretty disappointing expansion in my opinion, even considering the situation they've been under. I wouldn't recommend this game anymore to others.

Those people who want to see the game continue to be successful need to stop sucking up to the development team and allow criticisims to get through. Cracking down on dissent is doing the game a terrible disservice.

Yeah, that's the biggest beef. They knew they were obviously far far behind to announce Ultimate was only 70% done last week.

Meanwhile they let people keep going on with savage, getting ready with best-in-slot gear needed to challenge it, and getting groups formed for Ultimate beyond the 8 weeks for BiS. i530 gear is now practically worthless.

Surprise, oh you already added 3+ more months to your sub? Too bad.

The balloon pop you heard was hundreds of raid groups disbanding.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yeah, that's the biggest beef. They knew they were obviously far far behind to announce Ultimate was only 70% done last week.

Meanwhile they let people keep going on with savage, getting ready with best-in-slot gear needed to challenge it, and getting groups formed for Ultimate beyond the 8 weeks for BiS. i530 gear is now practically worthless.

Surprise, oh you already added 3+ more months to your sub? Too bad.

The balloon pop you heard was hundreds of raid groups disbanding.

Yeah, hundreds. lol...

I'd love to see some evidence of this.

[Vahlnir]

Yeah, hundreds. lol...

I'd love to see some evidence of this.

Considering only a fraction of the player base even does savage, and an even smaller fraction of that fraction bothers with Ultimate I definitely don't think that "hundreds" of raid groups disbanding is accurate.

[technole]

Considering only a fraction of the player base even does savage, and an even smaller fraction of that fraction bothers with Ultimate I definitely don't think that "hundreds" of raid groups disbanding is accurate.

On average 25-30% of the player base on JP servers complete savage, that's hundreds of groups. Whereas your server, Diablos can't even muster out of the few %.

Lodestone scrapes of who owns the E4S and E8S mounts. Meaning who are usually eligible for ultimate.

[Vahlnir]

On average 25-30% of the player base on JP servers complete savage, that's hundreds of groups. Whereas your server, Diablos can't even muster out of the few %.

Lodestone scrapes of who owns the E4S and E8S mounts. Meaning who are usually eligible for ultimate.

This doesn't clarify how many of those actually do Ultimate. If you want to give me those statistics, then we'll talk. Just because they are eligible, doesn't mean they participate.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This doesn't clarify how many of those actually do Ultimate. If you want to give me those statistics, then we'll talk. Just because they are eligible, doesn't mean they participate.

That, and just because they do ultimate, doesn't mean the static disband when one gets delayed.

I'm in that statistic as one who has savage mounts. I also did Weapons Refrain prog for a few months. Never cleared, but enjoyed the experience.

My static didn't break and won't break over this.

[technole]

This doesn't clarify how many of those actually do Ultimate. If you want to give me those statistics, then we'll talk. Just because they are eligible, doesn't mean they participate.

It's still hundreds of groups, cause there is attempt vs clear. Regardless you can stop talking. This amount of clears just for TEA last year.

[Vahlnir]

It's still hundreds of groups, cause there is attempt vs clear. Regardless you can stop talking. This amount of clears just for TEA last year.

I'll keep talking, thanks! How many of those groups have quit though? You know, disbanded and such.

Those of you trivializing the disappointment of the community looking forward to the ultimate content that was delayed by a year, please consider the exact same thing can — and arguably should — happen to you as well in time.

Personally, I haven't even once tried to trivialize it. Heck, if I was an Ultimate raider I'd probably be disappointed too. No one wants their content delayed, cut, etc. What I did try to get across, however, was the why which isn't hard to understand when looked at objectively. Not saying it was right or even fair, but it was understandable given various circumstances.