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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    The "reward" sucks, and is too tedious to get. 48 people for savage is kind of reaching for SE. The amount of work required to get that garbage tier armor is simply not worth it. Not even the people who actually want dyable variants are even going to be able to get dyable variants. They'll be lucky if they get ONE. People aren't doing the content. Considering they also have to obtain a full set of the regular bozja armor and nobody runs Castrum either. It's questionable design, and in my opinion, a complete waste of resources.
    That's irrelevant. It's optional content and people have done it. If you don't want to do the work, then don't. I didn't do it either, just like I don't do many other optional things in this game, like Ultimate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaray View Post
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    Oh, I don't actually do Ultimate, nor do I do savage, but this savage most definitely has no place in Bozja. Supposedly the Ultimate was actually about, 70% done (?), if I remember correctly. Whether the resources wasted on this dead content could have prevented ultimate from being delayed as far as it has been, is of no issue to me. I'm more concerned with, what I think, are continuous poor design decisions in regards to Bozja, Not just the content itself, but the entire reward structure, punishments, etc. Don't even get me started on the relics.

    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    That's irrelevant. It's optional content and people have done it. If you don't want to do the work, then don't. I didn't do it either, just like I don't do many other optional things in this game, like Ultimate.
    It's irrelevent? Exactly HOW?! This content is not meant to be a one and done raid. This is meant to be grinded. It wants a large amount of players, so even players who actually WANT to do the content won't even be able to do it. Which means those players aren't getting those rewards they want. This is Castrum all over again. For that matter, many people can't even do DR, because they cannot get a Castrum clear, further exacerbating the issue! By the time, SE decides to "fix" castrum rewards, and some people start getting clears, they are going to find this content completely dead. Nobody is going to want to prog with them, when they can lose hundreds of thousands of mettle in the process!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    It's irrelevent? Exactly HOW?! This content is not meant to be a one and done raid. This is meant to be grinded. It wants a large amount of players, so even players who actually WANT to do the content won't even be able to do it. Which means those players aren't getting those rewards they want. This is Castrum all over again. For that matter, many people can't even do DR, because they cannot get a Castrum clear, further exacerbating the issue! By the time, SE decides to "fix" castrum rewards, and some people start getting clears, they are going to find this content completely dead. Nobody is going to want to prog with them, when they can lose hundreds of thousands of mettle in the process!
    It's irrelevant because the community can make it happen if enough people want to do it.

    And if there is problem with DR Savage, the solution is to fix it, not cut it entirely. And if the community really has given up on it, then it may be a failed content, but again, developers shouldn't get accustomed to give up on potential "dead" content, but rather to learn and to make future content like it be more viable for repeatability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    Oh, I don't actually do Ultimate, nor do I do savage, but this savage most definitely has no place in Bozja. Supposedly the Ultimate was actually about, 70% done (?), if I remember correctly. Whether the resources wasted on this dead content could have prevented ultimate from being delayed as far as it has been, is of no issue to me. I'm more concerned with, what I think, are continuous poor design decisions in regards to Bozja, Not just the content itself, but the entire reward structure, punishments, etc. Don't even get me started on the relics.
    Then, replace the content with what? Since the Ultimate delay is of no issue to you, it just sounds like you want a piece of content cut out just because you don't like it. Other points, from reward structure, means of entry, the auxiliary systems that play a role in the piece of content, the requirement of 48 without scaling etc... are all fair criticisms of the content, but I'd much prefer to see them take the criticisms and make something better down the line than just stop making it altogether. It's probably one of the more creative raid sets in the game, and feels like an actual raid atmospherically, and the gameplay systems are fun to play around with and make use of.

    Though, I like having battle content in the game that isn't necessarily just the traditional Ex/Savage/Ulti fights and I'd like to see them improve and continue to refine the large-scale raid content that's traditionally been attached to the Exploratory stuff.

    But if you don't care about Ultimate, don't run Savage, don't do exploratory content then... I don't really understand your dog in the discussion? Since normal dungeons ain't gonna change anytime soon.
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