LET PEOPLE CHANGE CLASS AT THE START OF DELUBRUM

[ItMe]

but the playerbase is already trying to wreck it because they're too lazy to farm a few fragments, pop an Essence and use an oGCD or two outside their role, so they want to reduce one of the more interesting instances we've had to a plain regular duty finder 24 man to zerg for relics.

I think that part of the problem is that these actions are consumable.
You don't just farm up what fragments you need and you're done. You need to re-farm some of them to prepare for each attempt.
And you can really burn through them if you want to experiment or try out new things, which really hampers creativity and deters people from really playing with this new system.
They've come a long way from Eureka, but the isn't isn't that "players are lazy," so much as "I ain't got time for that shit."

Personally, I'm still working on farming the EX mounts, Savage prog, decorating my personal house, making a Heavensward Anima Weapon, staying in practice with some jobs I'm not playing as much, filling out my orchestrion log, etc.
And that's all when I have time to play FF14.

Delubrum is quite easy, you're right. But that's also part of the problem.
You don't need the Bozjan actions for it.
So I can waltz in with my loadout still prepped in case I get into a duel, a loadout quite worthless for delubrum, and enjoy the content without having to devote the extra time to wrestling with farming clusters and shit.

[Payadopa]

Or... they could just let us change jobs at the entrance and avoid the issue entirely.

Or they could use the system that's already implemented. And you had 10 levels to get used to it. There is even an AMA NPC next to the only exit.

[Liam_Harper]

I think that part of the problem is that these actions are consumable.

I mean, I definitely agree that fragment droprate could be increased but if you can't be bothered to spend a little gil, or time farming the basic fragments from the easy mobs at the start of Bozja to cover your next 15 runs, that's a little lazy. Some of the new actions are also unlimited use.

A fragment vendor could be a great use for Silver Coins though.

[Deceptus]

Lost Incense will, which is oGCD and can be maintained with 100% Uptime.
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And Forgotten Fragments of Caution where Lost Incense is gained from are dropped by S rank mobs, so unless you have Lost Death or are in a group to kill them you can't guarantee you have it available.

Whereas Platebearer / Veteran can easily be farmed by the mobs right outside the camp entrance.

[ItMe]

but if you can't be bothered to spend a little gil, or time farming

My point was that it takes a little time... the first time. But you have to keep farming.
And no, with all the other content I'm juggling I don't have "a little time" to spend engaging in another farm.
As for the gil, I'm not rich. One of the things I listed doing is decorating my house. I'm basically broke lol.

It's not about laziness.
It's about the content asking for a larger time commitment than I can give it.
Boiling it down to "lazy" is both dishonest and overly reductive.

[Fawkes]

It's obviously a flawed system. I didn't queue as a healer because I wanted to tank. Yes, you can make it work, if everyone farms the lame old content for hours beforehand, but you only need to because the duty finder sometimes makes lopsided parties so why would anyone choose that? We already have a system in place where anyone can be any role, and a duty finder that knows how to put a regular party together. What's good about this system for people who don't care about saying "Look at me! I'm a dps but I'm TANKING!"?

[SturmChurro]

It's obviously a flawed system. I didn't queue as a healer because I wanted to tank. Yes, you can make it work, if everyone farms the lame old content for hours beforehand, but you only need to because the duty finder sometimes makes lopsided parties so why would anyone choose that? We already have a system in place where anyone can be any role, and a duty finder that knows how to put a regular party together. What's good about this system for people who don't care about saying "Look at me! I'm a dps but I'm TANKING!"?

Well, it makes a certain amount of sense in the context of Bozja and it's content - which doesn't have role restrictions. Probably cuts down on the queue times quite a bit, and it seems SE is moving towards removing role restrictions in various content. It's really a give and take. The essences are there for a reason, though most are completely worthless in my opinion. Optimally, players will never run int a situation where there is nothing of a certain role, but the essences are there for when it does.

I do think a grace period where players can switch their roles at the start should be allowed however. Unlike Castrum, this is content you queue for. You don't necessarily know what everyone else is going to be, Castrum where you can coordinate before entering, since everyone would be in the same instance.

[iVolke]

The assumption that every person is playing optimally is foolish. I was also the only tank in Castrum, no one else volunteered to tank, and surprisingly, we failed. Hell, even the healers barely healed.

They barely do their own roles, and you want them to do other ones?

To be fair, that one is on the player base for being too small brain to read words in a box. Lost Actions (Logos) are incredibly simple to use, or at least they would be if communication wasn't considered a sin among ffxiv players, unless done through discord. No one's gonna discord for every single pug.

[Hazama999]

Kinda wondering why they just straight up didn't make it a regular 24-man instance with the usual party composition requirements.

[SturmChurro]

To be fair, that one is on the player base for being too small brain to read words in a box. Lost Actions (Logos) are incredibly simple to use, or at least they would be if communication wasn't considered a sin among ffxiv players, unless done through discord. No one's gonna discord for every single pug.

Oh yeah.. One time I had the audacity to ask people if they could use essences. I got into a huge argument, and got accused of "compelling playstyles", I wouldn't doubt I got reported. It's actually pretty ridiculous.