I think I have an Idea of the next Melee Class!

[BasicBlake]

Pretty sure the shirts are just hints at Magus Sisters..

[Shougun]

Pretty sure the shirts are just hints at Magus Sisters..

I don't mean offense but that one sounds like a leap, compared to other options. I'd go Judge before I go Magus Sisters (one sister has a scythe, sometimes, and with two reaper shirts that means the sisters are coming..?). And I wouldn't necessarily say Judge either since Reapers are not Judges, really, they are more like Charon- they ferry (guide) lost souls.

[BasicBlake]

I don't mean offense but that one sounds like a leap, compared to other options. I'd go Judge before I go Magus Sisters (one sister has a scythe, sometimes, and with two reaper shirts that means the sisters are coming..?). And I wouldn't necessarily say Judge either since Reapers are not Judges, really, they are more like Charon- they ferry (guide) lost souls.

They are also in the artwork for the new dungeon, with the oldest sister holding a scythe.
And to be clear I don’t think they are going to be a job in the game, I just think his shirts were akin to his Bugs Bunny shirt in 2018.

Also the to piggyback off Charon, the Sisters are based on the furies that also guide souls to the afterlife.

With them also being fought in the Tower of Zot in FF4 I don’t think it’s a leap any more than the thought of a “reaper” class in a final fantasy is.

[Shougun]

They are also in the artwork for the new dungeon, with the oldest sister holding a scythe.
And to be clear I don’t think they are going to be a job in the game, I just think his shirts were akin to his Bugs Bunny shirt in 2018.

Also the to piggyback off Charon, the Sisters are based on the furies that also guide souls to the afterlife.

With them also being fought in the Tower of Zot in FF4 I don’t think it’s a leap any more than the thought of a “reaper” class in a final fantasy is.

That magus may be coming, I don't that is a leap, that the shirts were for them I do.

Bugs bunny was for Viera, a pretty legendary announcement to make. Maybe it is just me but Magus sisters being added to the game literally adds nothing for me. It's not exciting news, or sort of news to care about, like Anima being added who is a big deal.

The artwork that may relate magus only makes me think of Ranjit like situation even more since one had an elephant, adding further to that whole Sanskrit potential situation and as you said furies (making a job that is in essence Charon even more likely, The Fates are not like Charon (and they don't guide souls, they weaved fate hence they were called the Fates) - so there isn't an issue that both exist, if anything it supports it since the reference material of Fates obviously has a Charon). Of course other than Charon there is also Thanatos, they have some overlap in duties sometimes (Charon more dedicated guide obviously lol).

Viera = big news, worth a shirt
Magus sisters = ....kay? The possible evidence that they are coming I think is fine (from that other artwork), the evidence they are the shirt's reveal.. eh I just don't see it. I think if that was the reveal then Yoshida just made his shirts far less interesting to trust as big news. Shirts now could be introducing minor information. Especially given the situation they revealed Anima straight out already, a bigger deal than Magus sisters (making saving the shirts just for them seem even more, "are you trolling us?" If that was the case).

Although like I said maybe I missed some legendary aspect about them (perhaps there is a huge fan base out there, to me the Sisters are just goofy characters with minor background stories that have showed up a few times- nothing that interesting). Still seems of a leap over other options, imo.

As for the reaper part not sure where it is hard to imagine, except maybe for the fact it is called reaper? Of course they'd probably call it something else, especially if we're going with all this Middle Eastern / Indian influence (god of death for Indian's is Yama, Cindy in that art work, if that's Cindy, has an elephant head like Ganesh which is not a Yama feature), but the job concept of what a reaper does is noble and good (in the essence of order, duty of psychopomps).

[BasicBlake]

Maybe it is just me but Magus sisters being added to the game literally adds nothing for me. It's not exciting news, or sort of news to care about, like Anima being added who is a big deal.

The artwork that may relate magus only makes me think of Ranjit like situation even more since one had an elephant, adding further to that whole Sanskrit potential situation and as you said furies (making a job that is in essence Charon even more likely, The Fates are not like Charon (and they don't guide souls, they weaved fate hence they were called the Fates) - so there isn't an issue that both exist, if anything it supports it since the reference material of Fates obviously has a Charon). Of course other than Charon there is also Thanatos, they have some overlap in duties sometimes (Charon more dedicated guide obviously lol).

Although like I said maybe I missed some legendary aspect about them (perhaps there is a huge fan base out there, to me the Sisters are just goofy characters with minor background stories that have showed up a few times- nothing that interesting). Still seems of a leap over other options, imo.

As for the reaper part not sure where it is hard to imagine, except maybe for the fact it is called reaper? Of course they'd probably call it something else, especially if we're going with all this Middle Eastern / Indian influence (god of death for Indian's is Yama, Cindy in that art work, if that's Cindy, has an elephant head like Ganesh which is not a Yama feature), but the job concept of what a reaper does is noble and good (in the essence of order, duty of psychopomps).

I think this just comes down to you and I have a different opinion on things is all. You don’t think Magus Sisters are a big deal while I don’t think a one time summon in X is a big deal, The Sisters are a FF staple.

And to go off the Arabic ties more, one of them has an attack that is Arabic in name. Not only that, the Matanga are the beast tribe coming to the game, so Cindy showing elephant features I think is probably tied to them and not Ganesh. I think people are putting too much stock in this scythe for a new class is what I am getting at. We’ve never had an expansion in the game that showed a weapon or hint for the secondary classes in the initial teaser, and we haven’t had Yoshi hint the second class on his shirt that first time.

I feel like the player base is turning this into Scythewalker. Ranjit gets a scythe, Zenos has a scythe, Cindy has a scythe, the botanists all have scythes, the people who paid for scythe glamours from the mob stations get a scythe.

Are they just gonna change all the botanist weapons and refund the scythe glamours for the real life money considering they are so strict about nothing sharing a weapon?

[Palladiamors]

Except you're forgetting about Scarmiglione, who had just as much relevance if not a bit more in the same game and fits the reaper motif a lot more than the sisters do. So I think reaper/necromancer has a bit of a lead up over the sisters in so far as likelihood goes. Of course that doesn't mean much since we're all just spitballing at this point but eh, its still fun to guess.

[Shougun]

Except you're forgetting about Scarmiglione, who had just as much relevance if not a bit more in the same game and fits the reaper motif a lot more than the sisters do. So I think reaper/necromancer has a bit of a lead up over the sisters in so far as likelihood goes. Of course that doesn't mean much since we're all just spitballing at this point but eh, its still fun to guess.

Yeah I don't think the idea that Cindy was represented with an Indian remix is too outlandish in that one artwork released (the image in question gives a Ganesh like appearance), but given so many variables I don't think the T-shirts represented the sisters. Because it would be ONE sister... to represent all three are coming, and the sisters are coming is not really a major announcement... especially since they were only part of one archfiend's minions (so its announcing the shadow of the toe of the giant). That they are coming makes sense to be a teaser in a side image (which it might be given the current situation), but not as some sort of main tease (not shirt worthy info).

If the T-shirt was the 3 fates then it would be probably be far more "D'oh, of course". Also Death Fate (of the three Fates, Atropos) is not a reaper, she is not best represented by that idea (Reaper doesn't, stereotypically, determine who dies they have the power over death but they use that for order and to guide souls- Reapers, Thantos, Charon, stuff like that are psychopomps and the Fates, Death Fate included, are not psychopomps.. They are Fates.. because they determine... FATE lol). Thanatos, if we had to go greek, would be the peaceful reaper, or Charon in the more sense of guiding spirits as a full time job lol.

Guiding spirits also being entirely friendly to the WoL wheelhouse of lore. I can't see anyone who was anti necro (because of lore issues, which there are some) being like "NO WE CANT HAVE A JOB DEDICATED TO GUIDING SOULS" lol. It's a noble, important, and ultimately to be seen as either good or neutral task.

It also goes in some line with the last major magic type introduced in ShB (creation magic and soul magic, the npc that used soul magic also happening to turn very nefarious looking when they started to do their attack actions - even though they're a good 'guy').

For the fun of the Ranjit concept Ranjit is inspired by Golbez and another guy, Golbez being the leader of the Archfiends. Ranjit trumps sisters.. :P. But honestly I just imagine Ranjit being part of the key inspiration, not saying it's literally his job.

Or what I'm thinking, just as a "hah" moment for Zenos. Is he is, per the in game lore: "is possessed of but a single passion: to stand on the front lines, blade in hand, and dance with death.". How great that he gets to actually dance with a Reaper? Name up for influence, lots of names for psychopomps. Dancing with Cindy just sounds silly .

I also feel it could make a wild turning point in our trailer if the Paladin goes Reaper, inverse Cecil- a nice turn on the influences that this expansion is clearly wielding.

I mean.. I guess it /could/ be a sister announcement but that just sounds so very off compared to all the other options possible. Comparing announcing the sisters to Viera seems also a bit off given that sisters are not really that big of a deal meanwhile getting Viera was pretty important to many people.

The concept of psychopomp, again what a reaper is, is why I'm not really sold it references a Judge. Although I would say Judge armor is neat lol, and you probably could make a neat Judge combat job. But I imagine they'd not use a scythe if we were going full imagery here, more like a flail or a huge bludgeon weapon. Of course a lot of these thoughts are all coming from us thinking the weapon will 100% for sure being a scythe... XD. That could be leading us all astray.

[EtherRose]

Pretty sure the shirts are just hints at Magus Sisters..

I would have to kinda agree on this. So his shirt is "Death" stating "I'll be here if you need me". So when you think of the magus sisters, they are an aeon or summon technically that you were able to use. This could fall in with the "I'll be here if you need me". As for "Death" itself we associate a scythe. Cindy uses a scythe. Also here is a snip of "lore" ---

"Magus Sisters may be a reference to the Moirai, often known in English as the Fates. The Moirai were the three incarnations of destiny—Clotho (spinner), Lachesis (allotter) and Atropos (literally 'unturnable' but metaphorically 'inflexible' or 'inevitable'—i.e. death)"

Also the Magus Sisters first appearance was FFIV. And what is Endwalker based off of heavily? FFIV. Where do you first fight the Magus Sisters? In the Tower of Zot or in FFXIV instance - one of the Spires that Fandaniel constructed. Although in FFIV it says the Tower of Zot is only accessible by the "Enterprise" because it is speculated to be floating in the sky (Or maybe on the moon?) As for the "Enterprise", in the Endwalker logo that "ship" or w/e it is that we see could be the "Enterprise" we use.

[MarlyMakara]

As for the "Enterprise", in the Endwalker logo that "ship" or w/e it is that we see could be the "Enterprise" we use.

You mean Cid's Enterprise Excelsior which is already the personal airship of the Scions?

[EtherRose]

You mean Cid's Enterprise Excelsior which is already the personal airship of the Scions?

Technically, yes. However he keeps upgrading it or might make something brand new. So it might be possible we see something from the logo.