For WoW refugees. What was not announced?

[Puremallace]

Anyone who comes from WoW when it comes times for an expansion announcement for some it is actually not a happy experience but a sense of fear and dread because I have heard this phrase before "oh god what new system do we have to grind".

Island Sanctuaries were announced and they are not locked behind you having to grind renown with your faction you picked. Given Squares history I do not expect them to be some time gated garbage where we can only do one new thing every other week.

Flight was not changed to require max reputation with every single new Beast tribe, plus multiple achievements and also arbitrary 1+ year wait times.

The new class Sage was announced and knowing Square all they said was you needed one character above 70 already. Now I gave Blizzard hell for this BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT it was because they also required you to have max rep in a faction to unlock them. Also in FF14 having level 70 on one character means you do not need to start another alt just to get the character you wanted in the first place.

Data center travels. This is basically free server transfers. Your characters home is still whatever you originally picked and there are rules to prevent RMT but please realize what we are being given for free.

These are just a few things I could think of and why Square Enix will continue to have my sub for the foreseeable future....also get rid of mettle loss in Bozdja (Delubrum and Castrum) if you are reading this.

[Rilifane]

Is it so impossible to simply enjoy a feature or announcement by it's own without going down the "tHiS iS sO mUcH bEtTeR tHaN tHiS oThEr gAmE"?
Some FFXIV players are apparently not confident enough in the game they enjoy to just say "I like this. This is good. Period".

[hobostew]

I've always felt the idea of "WoW refugees" kind of goofy cause I'm pretty sure there has always been massive crossover between our communities. I remember a lot of people had switched over back in ARR launch because of MoP "daily gating" and "kung-fu pandas". Are they "refugees" too even if they were here from the start?

[Puremallace]

Is it so impossible to simply enjoy a feature or announcement by it's own without going down the "tHiS iS sO mUcH bEtTeR tHaN tHiS oThEr gAmE"?

Some FFXIV players are apparently not confident enough in the game they enjoy to just say "I like this. This is good. Period".

No it really is not and pretending like Blizzard does not intentionally release their content on dates designed to over shadow FF14 launches is ridiculous. You think it was an accident they released their expansion one month later to literally line up with the same date FF14 was releasing the last big content patch?

They are competing and so should we. I have no PROBLEM reminding people why they picked FF14 over going back to WoW because vice versa they dump on FF14 the first chance they get.

So yeah you better believe I am going to point out the MAJOR differences between how the devs approach expansions and the level of respect that is shown by one dev towards their players time. People need to be reminded what Blizzard is doing and the arbitrary grinds they are putting in WoW that FF14 is not doing to nearly the extent.

[Nayout]

Island Sanctuaries were announced and they are not locked behind you having to grind renown with your faction you picked. Given Squares history I do not expect them to be some time gated garbage where we can only do one new thing every other week.
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The timegating of FFXIV is handled in another way, they give you an option an incomplete game mode that will be completed through patches, also this "island" does not look like the Covenant of the Wow because as much as possible it is something totally optional to obtain cosmetics

Flight was not changed to require max reputation with every single new Beast tribe, plus multiple achievements and also arbitrary 1+ year wait times.
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Man let's be honest the flight the Wow and its obtaining is shit, but of course the maps in Wow are used for many things compared to the FFXIV that only serve to make Hunts.

Now I gave Blizzard hell for this BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT it was because they also required you to have max rep in a faction to unlock them. Also in FF14 having level 70 on one character means you do not need to start another alt just to get the character you wanted in the first place.
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Did I miss something or in the Wow are there classes blocked by reputation? I have to remember that to get the classes in Ishgard you have to complete the ARR MSQ and also start at level 30?
To me the current Alters in Wow bothers me a lot because in Pandaria or in Cataclyms you could level up a class just doing dungeons or PVP but in Shadowlands they force you to do the introduction of everything

Your characters home is still whatever you originally picked and there are rules to prevent RMT but please realize what we are being given for free.

>prevent RMT
>FFXIV
kek

[Puremallace]

>prevent RMT
>FFXIV
kek

Yeah I know I got a laugh out of this too but there is a post they update every week that noone reads telling you how many accounts they ban on weekly basis based on reports we make.

[Nayout]

Yeah I know I got a laugh out of this too but there is a post they update every week that noone reads telling you how many accounts they ban on weekly basis based on reports we make.

If they really cared about the RMT they would do something like the PF and all those posts that send you to talk on "Discord"

[Saccharin]

I have no PROBLEM reminding people why they picked FF14 over going back to WoW because vice versa they dump on FF14 the first chance they get.

It's game insecurity on your part. If you like playing FF14 then fine leave that as it is. there's no call for WoW bashing, or any other game for that matter, to make you feel more secure in playing.

So yeah you better believe I am going to point out the MAJOR differences between how the devs approach expansions and the level of respect that is shown by one dev towards their players time. People need to be reminded what Blizzard is doing and the arbitrary grinds they are putting in WoW that FF14 is not doing to nearly the extent.

Why dont you be honest and point out the huge similarities. Where WoW goes FF14 eventually follows.

Progression from FF14 is taken directly from the late Wrath early, Cata era and has not changed. They added savage difficulty to the raids, basicity the mythic and the alliance raids are basically LFR.

Tomestones are basically Valor Points and the lower tier one that name escapes me.

They added arena and battleground PvP.

Glamour is a crippled version of transmog.

They plan on a stat squish.

I'm waiting for the level squish and Savage+ in the next expansion or two.

With regards to devs: There's no chance for feedback with FF14. Not necessarily a bad thing sometimes.

Blizzard however communicates with their playerbase (no matter how they pretend they dont). They delayed the expansion by one month because they took player feedback into account.

grinds, did you not do any relic grind in the game when it was current. Or did we conveniently forget that.

Now let's get to 'microtransations':
Wow has never removed old holiday content and then charged you for it. The solution to storage space is an extra sub, Wow has never done that. The glamor system in WoW you can save every single item in the game, can you say the same for FF14. Probably for an extra sub... I'm waiting for it.

For the record I am subbing to both games currently and both games have pretty bad things but let's pull back the curtain and look at way SE tries to squeeze extra money from players. It's sleezy F2P tactics.

[Kes13a]

Yeah I know I got a laugh out of this too but there is a post they update every week that noone reads telling you how many accounts they ban on weekly basis based on reports we make.

they could ban 20,000 accounts per week, but they only ban the ones barking in cities about low priced gil.

there is no way I would imagine that in any way combating RMT.

Ban the buyers... they do that enough times then some progress might be made on the RMT front. once fewer people are buying their gil, the better it becomes for all.

[MilkieTea]

It's sleezy F2P tactics.

This is just a little pedantic, don't mind me, but it's not F2P tactics. F2P is specific in that it's a play model that makes it viable to pay to win, spawning tales of whales who have gotten where they were by paying hundreds to thousands of dollars - and the only things you really pay for extra on FF are extra storage space and useless glamour items, and a very small minority pays for level skips and story skips - things that by design aren't recommended by FF nor the playerbase as a whole, as a viable way to play as you lose valuable time learning your class and understanding the story.

It's very crummy tactics, but definitely not F2P because F2P is a specifically sleezy play model that I'm glad FF doesnt ascribe to.