Instead of cutting Ultimate from 5.5 why not cut bozja?

[WoW]

If it's so predictable where were the Ultimates for Heavensward? It still is second guessing because they have changed content structures before, just not in a wildly different way. Maybe they try some new things with 6.x due to it starting a new arc of the story, maybe they don't even release the Ultimate that they were designing and they do something else with it and people get even more angry, who knows?

Savage raids were much harder back in HW that some consider A8s as the first unofficial ultimate. Gordias shattered so many statics from Faust to Living liquid. ARR coils and HW savage raids were the testing field for raid difficulty. That's why Gordias was overtuned that they had to nerf it. It's in SB that we got the official name for such high difficulty. Yoshi P also did promise people two ultimate fights per expansion in an interview. Their plan was to have one every odd numbered patch, but people said it was too rough, so they settled on two per expansion.

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[PlasmaHanDoku]

Man you are all mad for no reason. The reason they created bozja and cut out the ultimate was because ultimate was too hard for everyone. So they created Bozja savage too lessen the burden. It's not like a lot of you guys cleared ultimate Lol.

[Floortank]

Well, it's disappointing. Ultimate raiders get a high like no either from chasing those clears. I totally understand and sympathize. But there was a pandemic and it's content for like 5% or less of the playerbase. It's excusable to push it back.

[Nayout]

There is always a fun anecdote from World of Warcraft in this regard, they once hired a ton of new people and began to train them to make an upcoming expansion: said expansion was the most content sparse one, Warlords of Draenor. Turns out training people up takes time and many just couldn't adapt to the older systems the game ran on in a timely manner.

Our serious problems in Draenor were not due to having new people, they were due to people who were already in the development of the game and were in charge of many decisions of the same.

Man you are all mad for no reason. The reason they created bozja and cut out the ultimate was because ultimate was too hard for everyone. So they created Bozja savage too lessen the burden. It's not like a lot of you guys cleared ultimate Lol.

That something does not affect me does not mean that it is right, in the same way that the %(rates) of Genshin Impact does not affect me, I know they are shit

[LyraleiManagem]

I’d suggest instead of saying something shouldnt be developed. Why dont we start a petition thread like “show your support for 3 ultimates in EW” or “show your support to DSW released in 5.5”?

Really this is a player vs SE thing. I dont see the reason that we turn it into player bs player situation.

[Myon88]

Just chiming in to say that to call the raiding scene disappointed in this outcome would be an understatement. You won't hear from most of them since they don't come here, but I pass by from time to time.

Among the people I'm friends with who raid, and the more endgame focused discord servers, it has basically cratered hype for the expansion. Some of this can be attributed to covid wrecking havoc, but it's a shame that it has come to this. Shadowbringers had the strongest conceivable start an expansion could have and set a new high water mark for the series, but the mood I see now could not be more different.

If it were just a matter of raw player numbers and majority rule, you could similarly justify axing savage, extremes, everything that isn't the MSQ basically. But you wouldn't, because raiding is marquee content and one of the pillars that holds this game up.

I also want to remind everyone that the only reason it was ultimate that got cut and not something else was entirely down to its position in the expansion roadmap, not because ultimate is logically the thing you want to cut first or something. If we had the second ultimate in 5.3 instead of 5.5 like some people would prefer, then it would've been over by now and maybe it would've been Bozja or something else on the chopping block.

This is really more an issue of scheduling and luck, not certain types of content being better or more worthy than the other. The seeds for this outcome were planted when they decided to put ultimate in the 1st and 3rd tiers, instead of the 1st and 2nd - and even further back when they decided to cut the number of ultimates per expansion from 3 to 2.

[Fourbestintoner]

Man you are all mad for no reason. The reason they created bozja and cut out the ultimate was because ultimate was too hard for everyone. So they created Bozja savage too lessen the burden. It's not like a lot of you guys cleared ultimate Lol.

And it's not like a lot of you guys clear the casual content you are given, must be difficult leaving Limsa and Uldah I guess.

[linayar]

They better bring 2 other ultimates in endwalker or else they'll get the shitstorm they deserve.
I'll wait & see ,so i much prefer remaining very calm for now but IF there's no ultimate in 6.3,man it'll be time to unleach the full rage and i know that i'll be far from alone doing it.

Respect the raiders.

Posts like this makes me want them to just have 2 Ultimates in EW, maybe even one. It would actually be an eye opener to see the actual result rather than just reading about it on the internet.

And that goes back to my initial point. I lose my house and come back months later only to find every residental district occupied, leaving me with nothing.

You said that you see no reason to stay subbed anymore, so this shouldn't apply to you. But if it does, then you have to make a decision whether keeping a house in a game that you otherwise see no reason to stay subbed is worth it. If you're not sure that it is worth it, then it's probably better to leave it to those people who will gladly stay subbed.

Either way, it's a unique case that doesn't show that SE is forcing anyone to stay subbed. There's a reason behind this and people need to decide what they're actually getting for their sub.

Weeklies require an active subscription though. I can see your point but considering how the time table works if I was, say unsubscribed for 3 months and a new piece of Savage content was released, it means I'd spend more time catching up on that front. Not to mention by that time PUG groups have already progressed and I'd have to rely on finding a group tailored to my needs instead. All of that aside though, they did introduce crafted gear with a good enough item level, but you need to have your crafters maxed out for that.

If you want to be caught up to a certain content, then you do what you need to do, or just get a full set of HQ pentamelded gear and clear Savage in week 1 of release if you're that skilled.

Otherwise, you can still clear Savage in the next expansion unsynced with an easier gear grind if you want.

Going back to the topic at hand: Bozja is fine in my opinion. I don't see the problem beyond CLL, which was screwed up. In a perfect world we would get all content but that's not the case anymore. Still, now I will probably have no incentive to subscribe for longer periods of time, which is a shame, and that goes back to me lamenting how SHB was lackluster in a few aspects. All hopes are placed on 6.0, and I genuinely hope they will find their much needed balance.

Edit: Should have quoted you, but I'm still fairly new to these forums. :P

Then unsub, and if you don't want to return, that's up to you. There are over 20 million accounts made and not all of them are currently subbed now, so obviously people have chosen to stop playing and yet FFXIV continues on to another expansion until/unless there are not enough people subscribing/paying.

[WoW]

And it's not like a lot of you guys clear the casual content you are given, must be difficult leaving Limsa and Uldah I guess.

More like, it's difficult staying in Ishgard and Diadem 24/7 grinding the same thing nonstop lmao

[Mahoukenshi]

And it's not like a lot of you guys clear the casual content you are given, must be difficult leaving Limsa and Uldah I guess.

Hello Manchild, maybe it's just "difficult" to grind ones brain out by doing the same crap over and over and over and over and ove and over and over.