8 man endgame content should go back to the 2.x method (no baby mode) Hear me out...

[Vickii]

I did change my tune from my first thread, yes. I personally play MMOs to play with others to work through challenges and experience the story together. It's natural to me to want to encourage others to experience what has brought me so much joy since the early days of Ultima Online. You will see in my first response to this thread: That just isn't the want of most western mmo players. I do say Western as JP servers seem to have a much larger participation in savage/ex/ultimate.

You and others were twisting my later post, however. Like I said, I think story is more of a reward than gear. Someone had mentioned Wrath, and it was a challenge! Seeing the ending of ICC after the euphoria of overcoming such a difficult fight had everyone screaming and hollering in VC together. It was so much more to me than just crashing through it in a neutered story mode.

I can remember the moment, the feeling, the experience of it. Can't say the same for FFXIV content since that was not something I was ever given the option to experience.

Which is why you are right! I am a human being with complex feelings with opinions that can change when observing others share their own opinions and feelings. I feel OP on them wanting to feel the rewards of a story driven mmo in the way they see fit, just as you and others want the story mode dungeons.

You want to argue it's not the same watching it on YT then please understand it's not the same to me if I don't have to fight for it.

Yes but this playing a game like a job and building a social team is what you want to do. Can’t force it on others.

If you really don’t want to see the story in normal mode, then simply skip the cutscene.

It comes down to wanting to control the content for other people, and again you are not special or entitled to more because you choose to do savage raiding anymore than a saint of the firmament should get an ishgard house ahead of you because they choose to craft... although you could actually make a stronger point for that.