[Suggestion] FFXIV punishment system rework

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

But u can't initiate any vote before 10 minutes from the start of the duty ~ and majority of people i've met afk from the start. So 10 minutes changes not so much. Anyway it can be adjusted.



Then PvP activity can be regulated other way then PvE

View kick is 5 minutes.
Abandon is 10.

[Abyss_me]

View kick is 5 minutes.
Abandon is 10.

True. So let's readjust:

• remove 'vote kick' because self-moderation is not working
• remove penalties for leaving Duty on the move
• let community self-regulate itself
• autokick (or suggest vote for kick to party) on AFK in 3~5 minutes
• leave PvP as it is

Does it sounds better?

[Hycinthus]

True. So let's readjust:

• remove 'vote kick' because self-moderation is not working
• remove penalties for leaving Duty on the move
• let community self-regulate itself
• autokick (or suggest vote for kick to party) on AFK in 3~5 minutes
• leave PvP as it is

Does it sounds better?

Autokick may be dangerous for legitimate AFK such as getting pizza downstairs, putting kids to bed, sometimes take more than 5 minutes.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

True. So let's readjust:

• remove 'vote kick' because self-moderation is not working
• remove penalties for leaving Duty on the move
• let community self-regulate itself
• autokick (or suggest vote for kick to party) on AFK in 3~5 minutes
• leave PvP as it is

Does it sounds better?

No.

You just said self regulation isn't working, so remove the self regulation so we can self regulate.

[Arillyn]

True. So let's readjust:

• remove 'vote kick' because self-moderation is not working
• remove penalties for leaving Duty on the move
• let community self-regulate itself
• autokick (or suggest vote for kick to party) on AFK in 3~5 minutes
• leave PvP as it is

Does it sounds better?

If you are offering advice and get vote kicked because they don't want to listen, then you can just re-queue with no penalties and it saves you from playing with people who won't listen to advice AND you don't have to deal with a penalty of leaving on your own.

No to the no penalties for leaving a duty. That was put there for a reason because once upon a time tanks and healers got put in a duty they didn't like they just left at the start and could insta-queue again but leave the dps back in a long queue. It's working as intended.

The community is self-regulating with the tools that SE put in place. Before these were put in place the community self-regulated too and it was pretty much a disaster (see previous statement).

The auto-kick at 10 min is fine as is.

[Abyss_me]

If you are offering advice and get vote kicked because they don't want to listen, then you can just re-queue with no penalties and it saves you from playing with people who won't listen to advice AND you don't have to deal with a penalty of leaving on your own.

I cannot agree with it. If player get kicked from middle to end of long Duty (like 5.0 dungeon or 24-people raid) then he get penalty in a way on non-recived completion bounty for time spent.


To Arillyn, Bacent, Rein_eon_Osborne, Infindox and other nice ppl that pointed reasons for current system to exist.

Yeah, I totally agree with u guys that there is an issues like bots, 3rd party program users and players who skips non-desired duties (like dat bridge with ishgardian dragons). But it doesn't mean that the current way of things without it flaws. We get this vote system back in RR times and community in this days was a lot different than today.

I, personally can recall get myself kicked less than 10 times in my whole adventuring career that much less than 1% of my total Duty experience. It's not really that big, around error rate. But it heavily discourage me from even bother with other player base.

Like some of u implemented

It's not the system that needs to be fixed. What you need to fix is how you use it.

Instead of using Duty Finder's random matchmaking, you should pre-form your party from your friends

and many of my friends and FC members said same - just stop partying with random players, let the toxic people be in their toxic world of Duty Finder so they can just digest each other. But it badly hurts whole our community. I personally love to play with newbies, such a fun when somebody run away with stuck marker and u pull him with 'rescue', or meet the panic when they introduced with doom or other crazy new mechanics. It's a marital bliss. And u just saying leave our new blood to be devoured by monsters of duty finder. Then it comes to me with no surprise that we have that community that we have nowadays. This ignorance pains my heart.

Btw Jojoya and DrWho2010, are you saying that something wrong with me? You offensively called me 'selfish' and said that i don't have 'tolerance' in me. It sound like u bulling me with no reason, so please stop trolling me. Just friendly advice, because this attitude will lead to your kick in any party!

With anything that 'can' be abused, there's many people who don't abuse it. It all comes down to the people you run into, with some thinking to just boot someone to not have any issues crop up for them.

Right, so I'm saying that votekick system is abused so it should be revised. I'm not SE-dev so can say smth radical like "purge votekick from the game" but for real I just want to point on the issue that exist it our game and not solved.

[Arillyn]

Right, so I'm saying that votekick system is abused so it should be revised. I'm not SE-dev so can say smth radical like "purge votekick from the game" but for real I just want to point on the issue that exist it our game and not solved.

You have recourse if you feel you've been vote kicked for no good reason. You can file a complaint with the GMs and let them look into it. Is the vote kick system perfect? No but I'd rather it exist than not.

How many times have you been vote kicked to be this upset by it? I've been playing since 1.0 (well before vote kick was ever implemented) and I think I've been kicked once in all my time playing. And it's not because I'm silent all the time, I do offer information or advice when I think it will be helpful. I do play more the last couple of years with FC, but that's because we genuinely all like playing together. We do PF parties and pickup up randoms in roulettes from time to time and we don't have the kinds of issues you seem to be bringing up. We don't kick ppl either unless they are truly toxic & vile - I can only remember 1 or 2 that we actually ever kicked.

[Abyss_me]

What I'm trying to point we have bullies in chat that trying to put you in flames with words for their amuse and we have witch hunters on the other side that try to moderate everything they can. I often see when people kick somebody for being toxic and then they all praise themselves and say that bully should suffer. But they flighted bullies that long so became bullies too. Often ppl started blaming each other toxic for friendly advices. And I, who don't want to bully or witch-hunt, feel myself locked between two bullies camp with no ability to help anybody.

You have recourse if you feel you've been vote kicked for no good reason. You can file a complaint with the GMs and let them look into it. Is the vote kick system perfect? No but I'd rather it exist than not.

You know what GM says 'Blacklist player, we will look into the issue and take measures but u'll never know if we did'.
Back in NA I was never kicked and had issues except people that harshly pointed on my newbie faults in chat. It's really not appropriate way to teach somebody and they shouldn't use word they told me but in the end I've became better player. In 4.0 moved to EU DC to get better ping and it started to happen. Maybe it's fault of language barrier, but people get offended if you say anything related to game. It's like they think I blame 'em in incompetence when say "bard, pls put dots on boss" or "summoner, our healer is dead, pls res" or anything like that. And it worsen when you meet parties like

Just run all of your roulettes with a kicking majority and boot them first, it's what I started doing and it's worked for me lmao.

cuz partied people feel related to each other so they should protect members from any words of outsiders.

Both of those features are what allows the community to self-regulate.

as i said, it's not self-regulation, it self-moderation

[Jojoya]

and many of my friends and FC members said same - just stop partying with random players, let the toxic people be in their toxic world of Duty Finder so they can just digest each other. But it badly hurts whole our community. I personally love to play with newbies, such a fun when somebody run away with stuck marker and u pull him with 'rescue', or meet the panic when they introduced with doom or other crazy new mechanics. It's a marital bliss. And u just saying leave our new blood to be devoured by monsters of duty finder. Then it comes to me with no surprise that we have that community that we have nowadays. This ignorance pains my heart.

Btw Jojoya and DrWho2010, are you saying that something wrong with me? You offensively called me 'selfish' and said that i don't have 'tolerance' in me. It sound like u bulling me with no reason, so please stop trolling me. Just friendly advice, because this attitude will lead to your kick in any party!

The toxicity is in your attitude, not Duty Finder. It's extremely rare that I have had any toxic encounters in Duty Finder. If they are that common for you, you might want to take a closer look at the common denominator in those encounters.

I'm not saying everyone should give up on random matchmaking in Duty Finder. Most of us find it easy to get along with other players we meet there and we'll still be there to help the new players and less skilled players get their duties completed.

I'm saying that you should when all you can do is complain about how you want to be abandoning groups without penalty..

Disagreeing with you and your sentiments is not trolling you.

Also, I've been kicked from parties twice in the 14 years I've been playing MMOs. You admit to getting kicked from parties far more often. My attitude doesn't seem to be causing me any problems. Yours, on the other hand, evidently has been causing problems for you.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

• remove penalties for leaving Duty on the move

No. Never
There are already some players trying to provoke the rest of party into kicking them just because they don’t want to eat the penalty from being the first to leave the party. Or straight up begging them.

DPS queue would straight up fall into the mercy of tank’s and healer’s whim too, because they normally have shorter/instant queue & can come and leave as they pleases to. DPS? It can feel like watching a tectonic plate moving.

If people potentially going to waste the other 3 or 7 members times from waiting a replacement, then they -should- eat that penalty regardless whatever reason they have from wanting to leave.