[Suggestion] FFXIV punishment system rework

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

But u can't initiate any vote before 10 minutes from the start of the duty ~ and majority of people i've met afk from the start. So 10 minutes changes not so much. Anyway it can be adjusted.



Then PvP activity can be regulated other way then PvE

View kick is 5 minutes.
Abandon is 10.

[Abyss_me]

View kick is 5 minutes.
Abandon is 10.

True. So let's readjust:

• remove 'vote kick' because self-moderation is not working
• remove penalties for leaving Duty on the move
• let community self-regulate itself
• autokick (or suggest vote for kick to party) on AFK in 3~5 minutes
• leave PvP as it is

Does it sounds better?

[Hycinthus]

True. So let's readjust:

• remove 'vote kick' because self-moderation is not working
• remove penalties for leaving Duty on the move
• let community self-regulate itself
• autokick (or suggest vote for kick to party) on AFK in 3~5 minutes
• leave PvP as it is

Does it sounds better?

Autokick may be dangerous for legitimate AFK such as getting pizza downstairs, putting kids to bed, sometimes take more than 5 minutes.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

True. So let's readjust:

• remove 'vote kick' because self-moderation is not working
• remove penalties for leaving Duty on the move
• let community self-regulate itself
• autokick (or suggest vote for kick to party) on AFK in 3~5 minutes
• leave PvP as it is

Does it sounds better?

No.

You just said self regulation isn't working, so remove the self regulation so we can self regulate.

[Arillyn]

True. So let's readjust:

• remove 'vote kick' because self-moderation is not working
• remove penalties for leaving Duty on the move
• let community self-regulate itself
• autokick (or suggest vote for kick to party) on AFK in 3~5 minutes
• leave PvP as it is

Does it sounds better?

If you are offering advice and get vote kicked because they don't want to listen, then you can just re-queue with no penalties and it saves you from playing with people who won't listen to advice AND you don't have to deal with a penalty of leaving on your own.

No to the no penalties for leaving a duty. That was put there for a reason because once upon a time tanks and healers got put in a duty they didn't like they just left at the start and could insta-queue again but leave the dps back in a long queue. It's working as intended.

The community is self-regulating with the tools that SE put in place. Before these were put in place the community self-regulated too and it was pretty much a disaster (see previous statement).

The auto-kick at 10 min is fine as is.

[Bacent]

It would sure suck majorly if I wasn't able to kick bots I ended up getting in a party with a couple months ago in the expert roulette. Had two DPS who would auto follow me, take 10 seconds to start attacking when anything was pulled. Sure glad I didn't give them easy weekly/items and a carry while they weren't even at their computers!

With chat abuse, blacklisting people doesn't actually stop anything from happening. I got into a dungeon with someone on my blacklist a good while back, they were still trying to start crap with the other people in the party, because I was friends with them. Sure glad my friends didn't have to put up with a full dungeon of that turd nugget!

I've gotten into an 8 man roulette (Alexander 12) with a conjurer that was using a bot program to type weird timestamps in the party chat. Glad everyone agreed just to have me solo heal it and we waited to boot the bot!

With anything that 'can' be abused, there's many people who don't abuse it. It all comes down to the people you run into, with some thinking to just boot someone to not have any issues crop up for them.

[Jojoya]

It's not the system that needs to be fixed. What you need to fix is how you use it.

Instead of using Duty Finder's random matchmaking, you should pre-form your party from your friends list or through party finder so you can pick only those players that meet your personal standards. Once your party is formed, you can then queue in Duty Finder.

If you're going to continue to use the random matchmaking feature of Duty Finder, then you need to learn more tolerance. If someone is truly a problem for a group, the group is generally going to vote kick that player. If you can't get the others to agree to vote kick them, then perhaps the problem lies in your attitude.

[DrWho2010]

2) I don't wanna suffer punishments, I just wanna play da game.

This sounds like a very selfish you problem. Punishments are there because people abused the system, so there had to be consequences. It works as intended, if you can't handle it, you should probably reconsider playing the game.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

• remove penalties for leaving Duty on the move

No. Never
There are already some players trying to provoke the rest of party into kicking them just because they don’t want to eat the penalty from being the first to leave the party. Or straight up begging them.

DPS queue would straight up fall into the mercy of tank’s and healer’s whim too, because they normally have shorter/instant queue & can come and leave as they pleases to. DPS? It can feel like watching a tectonic plate moving.

If people potentially going to waste the other 3 or 7 members times from waiting a replacement, then they -should- eat that penalty regardless whatever reason they have from wanting to leave.

[Infindox]

2) I don't wanna suffer punishments, I just wanna play da game.

The thing is though, these "punishments" are in place so others can actually play the game. Imagine if there were no penalties for leaving a dungeon you didn't like. All of a sudden now lesser-liked dungeons have horrendous queue times for dps. If there was no ability to vote kick, one player could sabotage an entire run by simply refusing to do anything, or could harass anyone they pleased.