Remove Gender-Lock From Gear / Glamour Please

[Canadane]

I would prefer to see more locked gear. Both gender, and racial.

[MeiraStarborne]

And i'm just asking to make the next female outfits less feminine too. Why shouldn't i ask for this ?

You can ask for anything you want, I won't deny you that. Please don't deny me the same. My request is to unlock the gender restrictions on optional, paid items on the Online Shop. In return for SE's efforts in this, myself and others will pay real money for the product. Simple.

You may request less feminine glams to be created. That's cool. Enjoy that.

It's more i get that xD but say that all you want, how many things will i enjoy in there? Nothing ? So no, not my problem if you are not happy.

Then why are you commenting on this thread? It literally does not pertain to you in the slightest bit.

(since you want female outfits to stay feminine i suppose).

That's an assumption, and you know what happens when you assume things.

I'm not asking for any changes in the concepts and designs. What I am requesting is that when new items are added to the Online Store that they not be restricted based on character gender. That's literally all I'm asking for. (While a retro-refitting of old Online Store items would be lovely, and still profitable for SE to do this, I understand if it's not made a priority)

[Packetdancer]

In the end here's why i just don't want to remove genderlocking everywere:

The only ones that gain a thing from this are players who players who play :
- females characters
- femboys (idk any other word you get the idea)

Males players who want manly stuff, gain nothing but have to share.

I recognize this isn't a Mogstation outfit, but to illustrate the difference...

Think back to Copied Factory, where guys got awesome 9S-themed longcoats with double-buttoned fronts and all, while women equipping the same gear for some jobs got what I would politely refer to as 'NieR cosplay lingerie'. And while I have nothing against the aesthetic, it's not the aesthetic I have for my character; I wanted the jackets.

(Needless to say, Puppets' Bunker made me very happy. Thank you, sweet Type-53 fending coat; you are my new favorite GNB glamour.)

So let's say the next alliance raid were to have the women get badass longcoats and pants, and the men got skimpy chest-bearing tunics and shorts that basically look like a thong; a modern alliance raid version of the Coliseum subligar. In effect, a flip of Copied Factory.

If through some bizarre twist of fate that were to happen, you won't have any reason to complain, right?

After all, the only people who would benefit from a change there would be women who want to be able to wear both outfits, and "males players who want manly stuff". But the "females characters" who don't want another set that is basically underwear/lacking pants (see my forum signature) and (to use your term) "femboys" would be happy.

They'd gain nothing from a change there so, as you point out, why should they have to share? Obviously it should stay gender-locked, yes?

If you would be happy in that scenario and not want the badass longcoats unlocked for guys too, then awesome, I respect you for sticking by your position even if I disagree with it.

But if, in that scenario, you would want male characters able to wear the badass jackets and pants as well, because you didn't want the 'cosplay lingerie' set yourself... then you may want to examine your position a little more closely, since it seems a bit hypocritical.

Because if "I don't think people should have to share" only applies when you have what you want and would have to share, but not when you want the thing that someone else has... then your opinion seems less "I don't think people should have to share" and much more "I don't think I should have to share with girls."

True but while players who enjoy everything they wanted, i should be glad to enjoy outfits i didn't even want? Why should i have less than others in the end ?

And in my hypothetical above example, why should I -- who don't tend to wear girly outfits on my character -- want to share my badass jacket with you? Sure, you get what you want. But if I don't want to wear the skimpy thong, what do I get from the gear appearances being unlocked, gender-wise? By your logic, in that scenario, you should stick with the thong.

After all, you wouldn't want to be unfair and make people have to share the outfit but get nothing that interests them in return. Right?

That said, I don't think everything needs to be gender-unlocked, especially because going back to do that on all previous outfits would be a pain, and also because the game is not set up well to let you pick which of a male/female differentiated outfit's appearance you wear. (e.g., Copied Factory gear and such.)

But I do think it'd be nice if there were more options going forward, especially since I'm very, very tired of healer gear turning into a bathrobe and underwear most times when women wear it. And I do think that outfits you pay actual real money for probably could stand to be gender-unlocked; there's definitely a few sets I'd really like to have pieces of that are male-specific!

(Mind you, I actually do think more racial locked gear could be neat, as much as the hempen set annoys me. I think that would provide an interesting avenue to delve deeper into the various racial cultures... and frankly, I love lore, so I'll take any excuse to get more of it. So something that's part of a ceremony specific to, say, Seeker of the Sun miqo'te and thus only equippable by Seekers? Yeah, I'd actually find that interesting.)

[Awha]

They can't just "lift" gender lock restrictions. They have to refit every single piece of gear to every single female body (vice versa). It takes time. It would take quite a bit of time to do so, to the extent some people would want actually. I'd rather see certain, desirable things lifted. Now that, certain desirable sets being lifted? Let's debate that.

The maid and butler outfit I do personally should be up for consideration as a desirable set.

[Lihtleita]

I would prefer to see more locked gear. Both gender, and racial.

i want gear thats locked to only ppl who are 1.75m tall with cpose2 and hair thats dyed purple.

[Iscah]

(Mind you, I actually do think more racial locked gear could be neat, as much as the hempen set annoys me. I think that would provide an interesting avenue to delve deeper into the various racial cultures... and frankly, I love lore, so I'll take any excuse to get more of it. So something that's part of a ceremony specific to, say, Seeker of the Sun miqo'te and thus only equippable by Seekers? Yeah, I'd actually find that interesting.)

I'd like that at a "learning about culture" level - something ceremonial that only the specific race or clan could wear. Unfortunately they don't seem to go as deep as clan-locking things so any race-specific gear fits across two very different cultures - and that's before considering differences of local culture on top of race.

They'd probably be better off introducing cultural things as belonging to a clan but then everyone can equip it because they received it as a gift, or something.

I just want more culture-exploring quest stories, mostly.

[Juzjuzz]

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Yeah if some things look great on the oposite gender and they choose to make Coliseum subligar style for male then i'll just accept it. It sucks but tbh a lot of outfits are not great already for males imo, nothing new. I just don't like everything.

If female have the best versions and started to want it, i would rather question their choice for the male version (instead of saying more choice for males guive female version!). If some enjoy it and they don't go making sexy subligar stuff all the time why not ? I won't use it that's all. It's good as long it doesnt go 1 too much to 1 side or another. I would be ok for them add some skirts or things that femboys enjoy (is there really nothing they like already ???? xD).

If i take your example, females refusing to remove genderlock would be fair. If eatch time 1 side has 2 outfits that looks good but the other has just 1 because the other doesnt want to adjust (not even just a bit), it's unfair imo.

And making "genderless" outfits will end up being the most efficient thing to do (less work). Sometimes it goes too already feminine because there's more females. Even the male version of the hoodie looks feminine on the male version (why do you see the shoulders ? xD) AND is genderlocked wtf. Sometimes their choices on genderlock is weird and that's a problem imo.

If i were to choose between 2P outfit and 2 genderlocked version right now, i would say genderlocked because well 2P outfit is useless aniway to me. But i accept that others get what they wanted. Femboys don't get a lot of stuff, i can't have everything it's okay.

Tbh i'm suprised how many pants they make for males and refuse to make even 1 gendelocked outfit for females with just pants too. They could make shorts or skirts for males only and no one would care. There's more than enough pants already.

But again if genderlock is removed it's good for you guys.

I say "manly dude" or "femboys" because idk how any good word to describe the idea fast btw. I'm too lazy to search and i refuse to stop XD

[Canadane]

i want gear thats locked to only ppl who are 1.75m tall with cpose2 and hair thats dyed purple.

If this is your hyperbolic way of saying you want fitted gear, than I'm glad we're in agreement.

[Hazama999]

The whole "skirts/leggings turn into pants for males and vice versa for females" is a meme at this point.

[Gemina]

Well, they missed out on a sale from me and several of my friends, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm a self-proclaimed Fantasia addict who buys quite a lot off the Online Shop (but I still only play female characters). There are a lot of gender-locked outfits on the Online Shop that I would buy right now if they would refit the meshes for all body types. I also know a LOT of people who laid down $36 the day the Collegiate set was put up on the shop (instead of just $18 if the outfits had been gender-locked like the Errant's Attire).

So, you can claim that having the gender-lock restrictions won't impede sales much. I say they do. Without lifting gender-lock restrictions and comparing sales figures, neither of us will know who is right.

Do you by any chance see the contradiction in your post when you say things like, "Well, they missed out on a sale from me and several of my friends, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
and then follow up with, "I'm a self-proclaimed Fantasia addict who buys quite a lot off the Online Shop"?

You can't put a dent in the revenue the cash shop receives if you actively buy from the cash shop. That's what I'm talking about when I say their restrictions won't impede their sales. Net vs gross gains don't apply here, because the money the cash shop receives is all gross revenue. It's like if I was selling fruit, and one customer refuses to buy my apples; but it doesn't matter because my apples will still sell, AND this customer STILL buys other produce from my wares. If you really want to deny the cash shop your disposable income, your friends might need to initiate an intervention for your fantasia addiction. They may not get your 18 dollars from a glamour restricted item, but they know how to get it in other ways.

I'm going to point something else out as well...

I know it takes extra time to re-fit outfits for all character models, but these are glams, and it's 2021. There is no timeline to keep. No rush to get them on the shop. So please, take the time to adjust them to all models.

You know it takes extra time and effort but, "It's 2021"? Seriously, what does that even mean? Mentioning what year it is to make a point sounds like, "YOLO!", or some other comment structured in hedonism and naivety. If we could encompass all the events of 2020 and the beginning of this year with just one word, "Restrictions" would be a damn good choice, so what year exactly is it for you?

Cash shop employees have deadlines as well. They most certainly can't be afforded time as a luxury when developing new items, and that is a big reason why many cash shop items have restrictions, and why many items cannot be dyed. It saves them a load of time they are already short on.