Remove Gender-Lock From Gear / Glamour Please

[DenaturedH2O]

A lot of grief on this post about gender roles...I might not want to wear, or look at some of the irreverent or meme-ish glams out there, but I would definitely want people to wear what makes them happy since they are paying for the happiness it brings them, as I am for mine own. And most of those I don't really have to remember or think about later. Half the time I ignore my friends and FC mates' glams because they're outlandish or tacky, but I don't go out of my way to deride them for it (although sometimes, a gentle suggestion of a cuter glam gets accepted).

[MilkieTea]

A lot of grief on this post about gender roles...I might not want to wear, or look at some of the irreverent or meme-ish glams out there, but I would definitely want people to wear what makes them happy since they are paying for the happiness it brings them, as I am for mine own. And most of those I don't really have to remember or think about later. Half the time I ignore my friends and FC mates' glams because they're outlandish or tacky, but I don't go out of my way to deride them for it (although sometimes, a gentle suggestion of a cuter glam gets accepted).

This. 10000% THIS.

[Karious]

If the vast majority of players would end up looking just as they are now, then why bother wasting the time and resources on changing anything?

[artypartytime]

You can’t be that dense, can you?
I mean that it’s already possible to be a feminine looking male or a masculine looking female.
So opening up more options despite gender just gives people more options to design their characters.
Which again.. a lot of gendered clothing isn’t necessarily masculine or feminine and there are tons of female only or male only glams that can be use for a different effect if given to the opposite gender.
When I say people will look the way they do now is to send a message to the gender purist that they don’t need to be afraid that if they open this up, there won’t be a burst of fem boys walking around.

For instance the thanvanirian shoes on a female can be used to make a Greek god style glam for a male.

[Karious]

I feel that the amount of people requesting this sort of thing is very small and relegated almost entirely to the forums and reddit. I'd much rather have more gender locked clothing with an emphasis on specialized clothing for each gender, rather than a generic androgyne style that fits both like we presently are getting with hairstyles.

Though, I feel this is a non-issue when they could be using their limited resources on more important things, such as Viera/Hrothgar hair and hats. Maybe I'd be more on board with letting anyone wear anything if there were not more pressing issues.

[Packetdancer]

I'd much rather have more gender locked clothing with an emphasis on specialized clothing for each gender, rather than a generic androgyne style that fits both like we presently are getting with hairstyles.

Fine, but then can we maybe not keep making 85-90% of all female clothing a dress or miniskirt, whenever we have gender-locked designs? Some ladies like to look good in a suit or vest, or wear a 'badass longcoat' like various fictional heroes. And I have lost track of the number of times the guys get a really awesome duster or jacket or dapper vest, and the women get another frilly dress. The Valentiones' event last year gave me a great deal of sadness.

*clings forever to the blessedly-unisex YoRHa Type-53 Coat of Fending*

[Halivel]

No one says they should put everything at wait list and unlock every single items right now. What people ask for is to consider that this approach is outdated and, more often than not, doesn't have much sense to begin with (for instance, earring from Lyse Mog Station set is incredibly cool and I wanted to buy the set just for it, but it's genderlocked. A genderlocked EARRING. EARRING.). There are a lot of pants that you look at on some character, they look nice, then you try them on and find out they have an alternate design that is far worse on top of that, and same applies to female characters when you see nice pants but they turn into 1000th mini-skirt once you try it on.

The main point is: stop doing unnecessary gender-locks, they aren't "cool" nor they are "meaningful". They are just limiting. When possible - unlock some of the old items too, when it doesn't affect schedule or other tasks, but 1st of all: just stop doing unnecessary alternate versions and genderlocks that have literally zero sense behind it. I'm still angry from new Daily Set from Ishgard that has nice long shorts on female character that turn into "typical ugly triangle shorts you'll never wear because they're horrendous" on males (why do you hate male shorts so much, designer? Even long ones? Did they do something bad to you or what?).

[Schwarzstahl]

well ... depends.
i would like to see more gender locks on obvious items, also there are enough items that make no sense to lock.

[Karious]

Why is the approach outdated?

[Halivel]

Alternating pants into skirts is sitting on an outdated tradition (unless it's 1960s or something on your calendar, when my grandma was forbidden from wearing pants - then it's not outdated for you, I guess). There's literally no sense behind this. If they want to put these skirts in game so much - they should release them as separate items and give ladies their pants. You could say there are enough, but why not having more? Having more pants with more skirts separate is a win-win, not a loss.

As for everything else - we don't live in some cave era (and maybe it would have been better if we did tbh, because folks back then likely didn't care about "gender roles" which is a social construct). Sticking to something "boys should wear..." and "girls should wear" is weird at best and should go into oblivion already, it has no practical use in society other than forbidding somebody from doing something what isn't even remotely harmful. There are dresses and skirts that are designed with men types of figure in mind already (though a lot of them look more weird than stylish, but that's a matter of personal taste. Somebody likely does like them).

Usually it's exactly the media that starts changes in things such as wearing clothes. It so happens that modern media, not in a small portion, is games, and they do give a beginning for new norms just as they represent old ones, much like every other media. I doubt people will ever think it's okay to walk around in a bikini -30C area (though some Russian traditions can... argue this, in a sense), but game is pretty much able to teach players that people should be allowed to wear what they want and how they want without being shamed for it, even if in somebody's eyes it looks ridiculous.

Also if anything, even with recent "moral code" in mind, no one stops you from wearing a piece of cloth irl that "isn't created for your gender". You may be shamed or laughed for it, but there's no any hardware limitation in your brain that stops you from doing so. And likewise it shouldn't be a thing in game either. There's obviously such a thing as "resources aren't limitless" but then again - people don't ask them to remove every single gender-lock right away. They ask to consider it and keep in mind for future designs, with addressing old items when it's possible.