How has your mindset changed with regards to other players since your started the ga?

[LisSquid]

I’d agree FF14 has a lot of passive agressivness in NN and on forums but for me that’s head and shoulders above some of the stuff I saw in trade chat when playing wow.

Agreed. FFXIV tantrums are kidgloves by comparison to what I see daily in PF there.

It really is just passive aggression most of the time. When someone REALLY LOSES IT it's a novelty. I think the most aggression and poor behavior I've seen has been in savage pugs, and even then it wasn't anything too extreme.

Drama within FCs can be a different beast, but FFXIV as a community? Pretty damn good all things considered.

[Anhra]

I don’t get why people keep bringing WoW up though to be honest. You clearly know the reaction it gets, so why do it?

I’d agree FF14 has a lot of passive agressivness in NN and on forums but for me that’s head and shoulders above some of the stuff I saw in trade chat when playing wow.

I might be able to answer this to a certain degree.
Since WoW is one of the oldest MMO's arround and still kicking arround just fine, it had set alot "norms" for other MMO's which they either tried to copy or use as a template to create their own stuff (or at least, it looked that way).
WoW has in my opinion, a great combat system, it isn't perfect, but every job is capable of dealing with any kind of situation to a fair degree (even in PvP) and ontop of that, customisation options for skills (which we unfortunately, dont have) in the form of skilltrees.
as for the matter of PvP, they also have way more content than we probably will ever have in FFXIV, which is a real shame, to be exact they have:
- 11 battleground options (also crossrealm)
- you can duel everywhere outside of towns
- 2vs2, 3vs3 and 5vs5 arena fights, both ranked and unranked.
- "random pvp", which is automatically triggered on when you see a player of the opposing faction.
- World PvP (dedicated zones iirc) which are 4 in number (imagine bozja with pvp, to put it simple)
and that's just the pvp content, the rest of WoW content is in similar magnitude or even higher, so People who stopped playing the game, usually come with high expectations if they plan to settle for a new game, but end up being disappointed how unfleshed looks like compared to WoW. It doesn't mean that every game is bad compared to WoW, its just them being somewhat disappointed.

In my opinion, WoW are kind of polar opposites, WoW has a Great combat system but a somewhat bad/nonexistent story where your character hardly matters, while FFXIV, has a great story where you do actually matter, with a rather unfleshed and basic form of combat compared to the former.

[Vahlnir]

I don’t get why people keep bringing WoW up though to be honest. You clearly know the reaction it gets, so why do it?

I’d agree FF14 has a lot of passive agressivness in NN and on forums but for me that’s head and shoulders above some of the stuff I saw in trade chat when playing wow.

I only mention it at all sometimes when there is a feature to compare with. Their "glamour" system is better designed compared to ours as one example. You are correct though, Trade Chat is 10 times worse as well as the player base itself, but that doesn't make FF XIV's own toxic side null and void.

[Vickii]

Yeah I played wow and enjoyed it. There’s definetly some things it does better than FF14 but I feel that WoW players in general have a negative impact on FF14.

It seems like many of those passive aggressive people complaining about dps parses in the novice network of all places come from WoW. And they’re passive aggressive because if they call you a scrub and tell you to gtfo like they do in WoW they’ll get in trouble/be frowned upon.

[Quintessa]

While this may be true at least to my own instance, there’s the point where the ‘nice player’-attitude becomes too much to handle & detrimental to players’ overall improvement which are... not nice at all.

Asking for an advice or commentary only to get a “you’re fine!” on the face doesn’t feel good at all. I wasn’t asking for a reassurance. I was asking for a suggestion that may improve my gameplay so I can be a better functioning player in the community & not be a deadweight myself a.k.a. wasting other people’s time. Such replies & the excessive tip-toeing is simply not exactly conducive for improvement.

/playdead

Youre fine probably because in thier minds you are fine.

On the other hand some arent sure how to deliver constructive criticism without worrying about rubbing someone the wrong way. There's even some folks who ask for this but then cant take it.

I once had a friend who was just straight up bad. Getting her to upgrade her gear was like trying to scratch my back without a back scratcher.

It turns into a darned if you do darned if you dont thing.

[Vahlnir]

Yeah I played wow and enjoyed it. There’s definetly some things it does better than FF14 but I feel that WoW players in general have a negative impact on FF14.

It seems like many of those passive aggressive people complaining about dps parses in the novice network of all places come from WoW. And they’re passive aggressive because if they call you a scrub and tell you to gtfo like they do in WoW they’ll get in trouble/be frowned upon.

Ah, I was wondering when you would begin your tin foil hatting. There it is. If nothing else you're predictable.

Despite what you think I’m not a troll.

I have yet to see evidence to the contrary. And, unlike you, I have forum posts (actual evidence) to back my claims up if I choose to. Really don't want to go searching though. In this post I'm responding to (dang post limits!) alone you have contradicted yourself 3-4 times. If you can provide the proof for your claims, by all means. But as the internet would say...pics or it didn't happen.

[Vickii]

Ah, I was wondering when you would begin your tin foil hatting. There it is. If nothing else you're predictable.

It’s not tin foil hat. I didn’t say all, I said many. And I know this because they openly admit to it.

Despite what you think I’m not a troll. There are many of us who feel WoW players bring negativity to FFXIV. It’s just a different environment. Many of them adjust really well and are super helpful people. But some do try to bring the elitism and roflcopter spam here.

[EtherRose]

Since WoW is one of the oldest MMO's arround and still kicking arround just fine,

I had a good laugh at this. If WoW was doing fine there would be no need to release WoW Classic to keep it's players in and leaving. It's player base is basically 70% bots and 30% people who haven't left Blizzards teets since it was released - A.K.A Asmongold.

[ForteNightshade]

I had a good laugh at this. If WoW was doing fine there would be no need to release WoW Classic to keep it's players in and leaving. It's player base is basically 70% bots and 30% people who haven't left Blizzards teets since it was released - A.K.A Asmongold.

You do realize WoW still complete dwarfs FFXIV, yes? While neither Blizzard nor SE post official data, unofficial censuses estimates WoW having nearly 5M active accounts whereas FFXIV's estimated active characters is just shy of 1M. And both games have bot problems. Ironically, WoW does a significantly better job than FFXIV in terms of dealing with theirs.

[OrpheusKappa]

(forgot to quote the guy I wanted to quote fml)
You guys probably haven't played WoW in quite a while cause nowadays trade chat is just full of boosting service spam and no casual chatter.

Anyway to the OP: When i started the game(started in 5.3 shadowbringers patch) I rarely gave a shit about what others are doing on duties and just moved on with the dungeon (to be honest i was actually surprised that people say hi and goodbye in duties).

Nowadays I watch castbars and movements of whichever guy is in the duty and if I see something wrong I try to maybe give a hint (but then realise that it usually flies above their heads, sigh and either move on ). Along with the fact that alt characters also get a sprout I never really see sprouts anymore as new players and I now chuckle whever I see somebody with a mentor crown in the duty thinking "lol burger king" to myself.