Nature of the Sound

[Iscah]

There's a set of logs in Academia Adynar that describe the development of the Sound. And how it "moved" from one location to another, driving Creation Magic crazy as it went.

The fact that it was moving around suggest there is maybe a source that was emitting the Sound. What that source is, we just have to wait and find out in 6.0 but if lucky they may start revealing a glimps of it in 5.5/5.55

The moving part is also important since it means the source was not teleporting by physically moving. This would mean the source of the sound had to start at a specific area of the world and made its way to Amarot as its final stop.

Do you have the quote for that? Did it really say the sound was "moving" like a single source travelling from place to place, or was it spreading to more places over time?

But the Shakespeare references don't end there. The main theme is called "Tomorrow and Tomorrow" which is titled as such to recall the famous "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" speech made by Macbeth, from the play Macbeth. What's key here is that Emet, much like Macbeth, believes they are invincible, destiny has chosen them rule and win, and can't conceive how they will fall. Macbeth's speech is the moment that he realizes that following the evil path of murder has lead him to a meaningless life, so does Emet realized in his final moments where he begs us to remember we once lived. Not to mention the concurring themes of good trimuphing over evil.

I'm not that good on Shakespeare references so I had to look that up.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1533/1533-h/1533-h.htm

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow; a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

It doesn't really fit with the song to me, besides a loose similarity about life being ephemeral - but this is regretful and the song is more joyous, about living on in memory.

The Anyder

I don't see any reason to call them that as an organisation. Unless I'm misinterpreting, they use that term as a short form for the Anamnesis Anyder, which is odd anyway because there are at least two different locations in Amaurot with the suffix - the other being the Akadaemia which seems to be the base for the Convocation.

I hold to hope that whatever we don't know about Hydaelyn, Hydaelyn is still good, and heroic. She's been one of my favourite characters since the very beginning, I felt a lot of connection with her as a maternal figure since the very beginning.

I agree. It feels like every story that starts with a benevolent god-figure is guaranteed to have them turn out evil by the end, and sometimes it's just nice for them to actually be what they claim they are - or in Hydaelyn's case at this point, for her to retain her stated love for us even if she isn't exactly the goddess we were led to think she was.

The 8th fight in Eden has an extremely important message in it's lyrics. That merger was no coincidence when you consider the color of her hair changes depending on which form she was currently in. Shiva retains her silver hue. While Hydaelyn/Venat... Was a blonde.

I'm not sure why you're thinking Venat figures into the symbolism of the Eden fight - she's never talked about there. Ryne's form is just representing Hydaelyn's Light as opposed to Shiva's ice, perhaps with a nod back to her blonde appearance while she was Minfilia's vessel.

[Riastrad]

I'm not sure why you're thinking Venat figures into the symbolism of the Eden fight - she's never talked about there. Ryne's form is just representing Hydaelyn's Light as opposed to Shiva's ice, perhaps with a nod back to her blonde appearance while she was Minfilia's vessel.

Only due to Venat being Hydaelyn's heart. Shiva as a primal retained a portion of her physical likeness. Why wouldn't the same go for Venat as Hydaelyn? Nothing in this game is coincidental. SE has always been extremely careful when it comes to details.


Take the Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow reference for example. You posted it in regard to Kesey's post.

I'm not that good on Shakespeare references so I had to look that up.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1533/1533-h/1533-h.htm

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow; a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

It doesn't really fit with the song to me, besides a loose similarity about life being ephemeral - but this is regretful and the song is more joyous, about living on in memory.

Authors of our fates
Orchestrate our fall from grace
Poorest players on the stage
Our defiance drives us straight to the edge
A reflection in the glass
Recollections of our past
Swift as darkness, cold as ash
Far beyond this dream of paradise lost

These lyrics, taken from the Shadowbringers theme along with the lyrics to Tomorrow and Tomorrow, are in sync with each another. He's right. Emet had a change of heart the moment he had made the Fourteenth's stone in secret. He wanted a better way forward. He only asked not to forget them and to learn from their mistakes. The "Swift as darkness, cold as ash" is about rash actions and their results.

Rock of ages, we cast the first stone
In our cages, we know not what we do

Indecision here at the crossroads
Recognition, tomorrow's come too soon

Follow blindly like lambs to slaughter
At the mercy of those who ply the sword

As our song wends dead underwater
We're forgotten for now and evermore

See? It all connects to each other. Every detail compliments the other.


Edited, Sorry Iscah. I had yet to finish the post.

[Iscah]

Only due to Venat being Hydaelyn's heart. Shiva as a primal retained a portion of her physical likeness. Why wouldn't the same go for Venat as Hydaelyn?

Because we're not seeing "Venat as Hydaelyn" in this portrayal. We're seeing Ryne as Hydaelyn, portraying a concept of the goddess either as we pictured it or more likely as she pictures it from what she's been told. She looks like Minfilia, the Oracle of Light she has already seen. At one point she makes the same pose as we see Hydaelyn in the mural stomping down on Zodiark.

Also, I don't think we have ever seen the original Shiva clearly enough to comment whether Ysayle-as-primal-Shiva resembles her at all, beyond that they both happen to be Elezen women. I don't think primal Shiva looks particularly like Ysayle anyway - certainly less than Eden Shiva looks like Ryne.

Nothing in this game is coincidental. SE has always been extremely careful when it comes to details.

Take the Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow reference for example. You posted some of it in regard to Kesy's post.

Authors of our fates
Orchestrate our fall from grace
Poorest players on the stage
Our defiance drives us straight to the edge
A reflection in the glass
Recollections of our past
Swift as darkness, cold as ash
Far beyond this dream of paradise lost

These lyrics, taken from the Shadowbringers theme, are in sync with another. He's right.

While that lyric does seem to be a reference, I was talking about the song titled "Tomorrow and Tomorrow".

And just because they're "careful of the details" isn't proof that Ryne is somehow taking on the appearance of Venat and not a certain blonde woman dressed in white who we (and she) can already recognise and associate with the element of Light.

[Veloran]

Do we have reason to think that Venat still resides in Hydaelyn? I don't think we've been given a lot of evidence that she doesn't.

Venat does say that she'll appear again in a new form. The implication is that she was the original soul of Minfilia.

There's reason to believe that ability to Temper might have been something the Convocation added on purpose - the world's woes were being caused by uncontrolled Creation magic, after all, so one way to combat the problem would be to create an entity that can impose his own control over individuals.

I don't really think that's accurate at all to the issue of the Sound and the Final Days. Creation magic running rampant was more of a symptom than a cause, and we have good reason to believe that Zodiark's tempering wasn't some intentional inclusion to restrict creation magic, as evidenced by the Anyder using creation magic to summon Hydaelyn.

I don't see any reason to call them that as an organisation. Unless I'm misinterpreting, they use that term as a short form for the Anamnesis Anyder, which is odd anyway because there are at least two different locations in Amaurot with the suffix - the other being the Akadaemia which seems to be the base for the Convocation.

I'm vaguely of the belief that the Akadaemia and the Anamnesis are really just two branches of the college, and since they were the ones that summoned Hydaelyn calling them the Anyder is about as good as anything else.

[dreamfisher]

The Anyder

Unless I'm misinterpreting, they use that term as a short form for the Anamnesis Anyder, which is odd anyway because there are at least two different locations in Amaurot with the suffix - the other being the Akadaemia which seems to be the base for the Convocation.

This is getting a bit off-topic, but in Thomas More's Utopia, Hythlodaeus describes the Anyder as a large river near which the capital city of Amaurot was built.
Similarly, our Anyder may have also been a river, with these two facilities built on it.

[Kesey]

This is getting a bit off-topic, but in Thomas More's Utopia, Hythlodaeus describes the Anyder as a large river near which the capital city of Amaurot was built.
Similarly, our Anyder may have also been a river, with these two facilities built on it.

No, the explanation of Anyder is even simplifier. Anyder means "water-less" and both dungeons attached with the name Anyder are places under the ocean that have had the water removed so we could explore them.

Anyder is also mentioned in Thomas More's Utopia as the name of a river on his Utopian island; the implication in the context of More's work is a source of water for his perfect society has all the positive benefits (clean drinking water, places to wash clothes, irrigate crops) but none of the bad (flooding, drowning, washing things away), in other words the only thing a water less river could provide. The reference is cool because Emet thinks of Amarout as a Utopia, so we get names like Akadaemia Andyer, instead of Sunken Akadaemia.

[dreamfisher]

No, the explanation of Anyder is even simplifier. Anyder means "water-less" and both dungeons attached with the name Anyder are places under the ocean that have had the water removed so we could explore them.

Anyder is also mentioned in Thomas More's Utopia as the name of a river on his Utopian island; the implication in the context of More's work is a source of water for his perfect society has all the positive benefits (clean drinking water, places to wash clothes, irrigate crops) but none of the bad (flooding, drowning, washing things away), in other words the only thing a water less river could provide. The reference is cool because Emet thinks of Amarout as a Utopia, so we get names like Akadaemia Andyer, instead of Sunken Akadaemia.

I haaad started to think along these lines, but stopped myself for fear of over-speculating.
When you consider the etymology of Amaurot and how perfectly that fits with a reimagined city filled with phantoms, you could easily be onto something. I like your thinking, Uplander!

Also, the way

Deep in the Tempest─deeper still than the phantom Amaurot of Emet-Selch's design─lies what remains of Anyder's ancient edifices.

is phrased doesn't really sound like it's describing a river to me. Maybe I just got my hopes up because Gobbiekin build stops long and short along rivers.