Who doesnt want gear restrictions removed?

[HyoMinPark]

... Having the same outfit for 5 years doesn't say anything about their ability to comment on this. Like, yeah ... they keep the same look and most or all of it is lvl1 glam. But it's not like they're in the default starting gear glam, it's at least a unique use of unpopular lvl1 glam and I have legit never seen someone else wear that outfit soooo *shrugs.

I think they were more or less pointing out the irony of talking about restrictions prompting creativity while wearing the same glamour for an extended period of time—thereby not being very creative as they have had the same outfit for half a decade—and it also being a glamour that is not restricted and can be equipped by anyone. The only part of the glamour that the least bit unique and “special”, I guess I can say, is the goggles, and they’re an item that was only available in Legacy.

I’ve also seen people wear that coat before so. If we’re going to go by anecdotes here...I guess mine directly contradicts yours. So which one of us is right here?

This is why we don’t use anecdotes as solid forms of evidence.


And I just want to add—I have absolutely nothing against Canadane’s glamour. I think it’s quite nice, and I’ve always liked how their goggles look almost like sunglasses. But just saying.

An ACTUAL example of how "Restrictions lead to more creativity" is .... Viera starter gear. Both ways actually.
I can legit say that 1/4 to 1/6 of Viera I see are just glamming over their gear with their starter gear cause it's basically grade A sexy lingerie. If this wasn't race locked? I'm 100% sure I'd see it faaaar more often than I currently see it. Tons of females of other races would be wearing Viera Starter glam. But ... because it's level 1 glam Viera can just pop it onto any gear they want at any level and not think about it which adds to them looking like a sea of clones as they have the power to put a highly appealing lingerie glam over any and everything they want. If they made the Thighlander Hemp top for everyone I'm sure this underwear for the 2nd least played anything in this game would become hella popular to.

You can just google the term, it's not made up. Many creatives do find that restrictions force them to think more creatively about how to do w/e they're doing.
I find that I take far more pride in my Whm and Dnc glams than the "Chocobo performer" glam I made around the Choco-race mask with nothing but lvl1 glams that any job could wear. Sure, it may look unique but it's not a thing that screams anything and I can run into people who have had similar ideas on how to use the mask. My Whm and Dnc glams are all or 90% locked to "hlr/ ranged" and as such I can't keep them when I go Tank or gather/ craft/ Sam.

Why is it that some people in this thread have an obsession with lingerie? Or insinuating that other players who want certain sets unlocked just want to dress their characters provocatively? Like what.

I personally don’t give two craps about the Highlander hempen set (not my style) or the Viera race gear, and would use neither on any of my characters. I would just prefer to use the Miqo’te hempen top—which is not lingerie; it’s a halter top—on other races because it makes a nice top to pair with certain skirts, and make into a nice, dressy outfit. Like the Far Eastern Beauty’s skirt. By virtue of having more options available, people now have more choices when deciding glamours. They’re able to be more creative. Creativity isn’t just restricted to restrictive parameters.

I do feel like the argument of role locks is sort of destroyed when the developers use older gear sets as reskins for dungeon or leveling gear. See: Star Velvet gearset from HW for healers/casters being reused as ShB leveling gear for ranged (Brightlinen set). Crafter and Gathering gear from SB has been reskinned into the level 77 tank gear. So...yeah...

[Iscah]

I do feel like the argument of role locks is sort of destroyed when the developers use older gear sets as reskins for dungeon or leveling gear. See: Star Velvet gearset from HW for healers/casters being reused as ShB leveling gear for ranged (Brightlinen set). Crafter and Gathering gear from SB has been reskinned into the level 77 tank gear. So...yeah...

That varies from set to set. Some of the designs they do seem to regard as generic and they'll shuffle around to different classes so everyone gets a version eventually - and I think this happens where the design isn't specifically for one role. The Star Velvet set is perfect for dancer.

Other designs don't get passed around, and that seems to happen when they are more role-focused. The Orthodox/Dravanian and Demon/Forgiven sets have appeared three times each now and never get switched around. Mages get the long robes, tanks get the armour.

[reivaxe]

I think they were more or less pointing out the irony of talking about restrictions prompting creativity while wearing the same glamour for an extended period of time—thereby not being very creative as they have had the same outfit for half a decade —and it also being a glamour that is not restricted and can be equipped by anyone.

Why would you have to change your outfit to be considered "creative" or knowledgeable about the creative process? I work in the creative field, recently designed an app and logo from the ground up based around 2 words (Think "The Box") and I've worn basically nothing but black shirts and navy blue cargo pants for the past 3 years.

I think what they're doing is a creative use of glam for branding regardless of why they stick to it (They need no other reason than personally liking it). 1 bit of advice I got in Grad school about networking events was to "Find a hat or something that stands out a bit that you're willing to wear often and always wear it to a networking event. You can change it up a lil but make sure it's close to that main item in appearance. That way even if you don't speak to people they are more likely to remember seeing you then they would be otherwise when they see you at a different event".

I remember this Pink haired cat because I saw a relic youtube video a looooong time ago where they showed off each relic with the same hair and outfit they have right now. There's a German FF14 youtuber/ streamer who, intentionally or not, brands their cat around having the (IMO ugly) twin buns hair style and the tuber Meoni keeps his cat with long white hair and mostly white dyed clothing. This helps makes their thumbnails recognizable by forming an easy to recognize list of traits around their character.

The simple fact that you recognize that they have had the same glam for years means that it's been effective branding ... cause 95% of the people I see on the OF are washed outta my memory as I can't possible care to recognize someone's ever changing ava. Same goes for in GAME.

The only part of the glamour that the least bit unique and “special”, I guess I can say, is the goggles, and they’re an item that was only available in Legacy.

I’ve also seen people wear that coat before so. If we’re going to go by anecdotes here...I guess mine directly contradicts yours. So which one of us is right here?

This is why we don’t use anecdotes as solid forms of evidence.

Re-read before you snark lmao ...

"it's at least a unique use of unpopular lvl1 glam and I have legit never seen someone else wear that outfit soooo"

Am I saying I have never seen someone wear that "coat"? Nooo
Am I saying that ANY item in that is "special/ unique"? Nope
Am I saying that it's a unique use of unpopular lvl1 glams annnd that I have not seen anyone else wear that combination of glams to form what is called an "outfit (which includes head/ glove/ torso/ leg/ foot glams)"? Bingo!
Am I saying this is the only person who could possibly wear this? Nope, there's others who can get those shades even if I can't.
Am I even saying that I like it? Nope, not my cup of joe as it reminds me of really cold weather ... but I can still recognize it as being "unique".

Why is it that some people in this thread have an obsession with lingerie? Or insinuating that other players who want certain sets unlocked just want to dress their characters provocatively? Like what.

How am I "obsessed" with lingerie? LMAO, I have eyes is all. I see many people dress in lingerie in game, my feelings about it means nothing an I've never stated how I feel about it anyway. I'm just pointing out that if Viera gear were to be unlocked for every female many (who already run around in lingerie) would just start wearing it instead of the other lingerie glam options.

You may not think that's a problem, you don't have to think that's a problem. I don't think tons more people defaulting to Viera gear is all that creative (you don't even have to care about people being creative or not if you want freedom to do w/e you want, but for the context of the convo everyone dropping their crafted lingerie glam and using Viera gear as their new lingerie doesn't sound very creative)

If you don't care about lingerie then cool, w/e, that's just 1 example. I would say the same about people wearing the Elezen top or w/e.

Like the Far Eastern Beauty’s skirt. By virtue of having more options available, people now have more choices when deciding glamours. They’re able to be more creative.

More choices does not mean "more creative". You mean that by having more choices they have more freedom to make something they LIKE ... that does not mean what they make with that freedom is creative or impressive. There's studies about this phenomenon ... it's a common practice in art to give yourself strict restrictions cause of how it promotes creative thinking.

"According to Haught-Tromp, those students who slammed up against constraints tended to think more deeply about options. They were also more motivated. Why do constraints tend to make us more creative? According to Haught-Tromp, they help cut down the number of choices to subsets that we find manageable. This allows us to “explore less familiar paths, to diverge in previously unknown directions.”

[MilkieTea]

As an artist, restriction does not lead to a more creative outcome, just more creative solutions to get TO the outcome. Also...

You mean that by having more choices they have more freedom to make something they LIKE ... that does not mean what they make with that freedom is creative or impressive.

What is wrong with allowing users the freedom to create something they like? This is worded as though there's something wrong with it, or that by giving users the freedom to create what they want, that it inherently will lack creativity.

Also, who cares if half the playerbase suddenly starts glamming the Viera lingerie set? If that's what they want to do let them

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(They need no other reason than personally liking it).

You mean that by having more choices they have more freedom to make something they LIKE ... that does not mean what they make with that freedom is creative or impressive.

(They need no other reason than personally liking it).

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[reivaxe]

As an artist, restriction does not lead to a more creative outcome, just more creative solutions to get TO the outcome.

" Miles Davis wrote an entire album, Kind of Blue, without a single chord. Artist Piet Mondrian midwifed Modernism by restricting his paintings to right angles and primary colors. Even Theodore Geisel, better known as Dr. Seuss, restrained himself to produce his most memorable works. Dr. Geisel’s advice, “If you’re someone who writes or paints, don’t be afraid to try constraints!”

In Ikebana or the art of Japanese flower arrangement, negative space is considered crucial. It’s this aspect that allows for novel shapes and dimensions which might not otherwise ever become realized. As one Japanophile put it, “In formality there is freedom.” The tech world offers examples too. Consider Twitter’s character limit, the spare, sleek look of an iPod, and Google’s homepage."

If an artist uses Black and white, guess what? That's a constraint that forces them to think differently and lessens their options. Someone allowing them self to use color isn't being more creative just cause they have more options, being forced to work with in limits actually does help people think harder about the tools they have at hand and how best to use them to make something stand out. I mean wow ... this is a Japanese game, I'm sure we all know Anime. Constraints come in all forms, be them time/ money/ manpower. Giving someone zero limits can be detrimental to the creative process.

If you're an artist I'd think you would know that.

What is wrong with allowing users the freedom to create something they like? This is worded as though there's something wrong with it, or that by giving users the freedom to create what they want, that it inherently will lack creativity.

This is the problem with these long spats on this forum.

Person 1- I like restrictions, they push people to be more creative with their glams. I think we should keep them and want even more.

Person 2- Nah uh! How could restrictions lead to more creative thinking for glams! If you can match more things you can be more creative!

Me- Umm, actually, an example of how restrictions promote creative thinking would be this and that. This isn't a meem, it's a thing people actually study that leads to a LOT of the cool ish in our world. Artist do this all the time, restricting their use of color down to a select few to build consistently in branding or building new art forms outta strict restrictions that force them to think more deeply about the options they have at hand. This is what people are talking about. More options =/= more creativity ... what you're really saying is that you want more freedom to make things you like which has nothing to do with the topic of w/e being creative.

You- Imma take this completely outta context cause why not..

lol, don't do that.
If it's your opinion that people would benefit from the freedom to have zero restrictions on a personal enjoyment level then just say that. You don't have to make it seem like the whole notion of "restrictions lead to creativity" is non-sense just cause you want unlimited dress up.
It's ok to want what you want, what you want doesn't always have to invalidate something else.

IMO this game has a very healthy amount of options for players to use for glam, taking away the current constraints on role-gear glam use and race glam will simply result in much of the player base not trying to be as creative with their usage of glam. By not having access to every glam with every job and every race you put people in a position where they have to think and carefully craft out the look they want with the options they have. It's of my opinion that this would frankly devalue the gear and much of the enjoyment in making a glam. To put it simply, all gear would run into the same problem of FoTM LvL1 glams and much of the identity behind designs would be lost.

Also, who cares if half the playerbase suddenly starts glamming the Viera lingerie set? If that's what they want to do let them

If that's your stance then just say it and stand by it lmao, but I'm not sure how a world where half the population dresses in Viera Glam is more "creative use of glam options" in your mind. (That's your example, I used Viera glam as an example before because I KNOW that there would be tons of females of others races that would stop trying to make unique kink glams in favor of just wearing "the best looking one" and that's pretty much the attitude that would effect every glam regardless of it being bun gear or not)
If you don't care then ... don't care. It's fine if you don't care ... idc if you care or not O_o lol

You don't have to care about my stance either tbh. It's like some strange virtue signaling is going on ... like I'm against people having fun or something because I don't want to throw the system in a fire and turn everything into LvL1 race unlocked glam. Oooof

[ItMe]

Reivaxe your whole post was illuminating, but I'm gonna focus on this:

It's of my opinion that this would frankly devalue the gear and much of the enjoyment in making a glam. To put it simply, all gear would run into the same problem of FoTM LvL1 glams and much of the identity behind designs would be lost.

(Emphasis original)
This was super helpful and transformed the way I understood this discussion.
It's not a debate of Yes vs. No.
It's more a discussion between people that enjoy exploring class identity and pushing the limits, and people that don't care as much about that and would instead prefer getting more tools to create their own identity.