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    Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
    You've mentioned this a bunch of times, why do you think a betrayal from Gaius is even on the table?
    Though I may have hopes and estimations, I can never be 100% certain of what do the devs have on the table. I may say certain things are more likely than the others from where I see it, but no one except the devs knows the whole picture. And the last Werlyt installment made me very... Disillusioned, so to speak. All in all, I am not sure what they are going for, and it makes me worried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliTheGunbreaker View Post
    Though I may have hopes and estimations, I can never be 100% certain of what do the devs have on the table. I may say certain things are more likely than the others from where I see it, but no one except the devs knows the whole picture. And the last Werlyt installment made me very... Disillusioned, so to speak. All in all, I am not sure what they are going for, and it makes me worried.
    The devs are pretty good at foreshadowing betrayal. Fandaniel has telegraphed he will do betrayals. Misija's betrayal in Bozja was clearly telegraphed.

    But Gaius hasn't set anything like that up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    The devs are pretty good at foreshadowing betrayal. Fandaniel has telegraphed he will do betrayals. Misija's betrayal in Bozja was clearly telegraphed.

    But Gaius hasn't set anything like that up.
    There is a Resistance report that voices suspicion about him possibly betraying us in the future. And then there is Valdeaulin, who has the same suspicion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliTheGunbreaker View Post
    There is a Resistance report that voices suspicion about him possibly betraying us in the future. And then there is Valdeaulin, who has the same suspicion.
    Which report was it, ive read all of them and dont recall one voicing suspicion of him betraying us potentially. Specially since he isn't a part of bozja stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kesey View Post
    But Gaius needs to WANT redemption to FIND redemption. And I'm pretty sure he finds that by spending time with the peoples he formerly wanted to conquer. You can also see the fights with the WOL that Gaius lost as moments that forced him to open his eyes, because by his logic if we beat him he isn't the rightful person to save and rule the people of the world.
    One issue is that at the end of 2.0, during the Praetorium fight, the only thing Gaius has changed his mind about was that he, personally, was the provably correct choice to rule Eorzea.

    Instead, after having been defeated by us (three times: as himself, in the regular Ultima Weapon, and in the Sabik-unleashed Ultima Weapon), he goes "well, maybe it's true that you're stronger than me, in which case you must lead Eorzea."

    At which point I really, really wanted my character to go "Gaius van Baelsar, you still don't get it. Being strong doesn't confer ability to rule. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works."

    So when we meet him again and he goes "I was wrong to think that the strong must rule", it's already a major change in innate philosophy that he hadn't displayed before, and indeed showed no signs of changing previously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rymi64 View Post
    Which report was it, ive read all of them and dont recall one voicing suspicion of him betraying us potentially. Specially since he isn't a part of bozja stuff.
    By "Resistance Reports" they mean the "Resistance Officer's Reports", ie the Ala Mhigan Resistance. It's the interactable pile of papers at Porta Praetoria in the Lochs.

    The "Gaius may betray us" line is in Gaius's bio as written by the aforementioned Resistance Officer.
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