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  1. #91
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    GrimGale's Avatar
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    Grim Gaelasch
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AnotherPerson View Post
    I get what you mean, but if you think about it, SCH's theme and lore is that they basically control the flow of battle, slowly turning the tide in their favor. It makes sense that they don't have some huge DPS payback and why they would use some shields and the large number of regens in the later part of their kit. They work as a sustain healer with the way their kit works, and even Energy Drain, Aetherflow, Dissipation, and Seraph all makes sense in this regard where scholars keep a certain number of healing abilities stored away for later use so they can cycle between their healing tools consistently while keeping the party above a certain amount of HP as the enemy's HP drops. SCH's damage is consistently stable at all periods even when they need to heavy heal because their kit works in favor of doing damage and heal simultaneously with their oGCD healing tools instead of relying on GCD healing when things go wrong. While AST and WHM dying would force you to lose your seals / lilies and mess up your big burst damage, Scholar doesn't have that issue at all, so this goes inline with their unique playstyle.

    In some sense, this kind of playstyle scratches the itch of tilting the battle in your favor with the large variety of healing tools at your disposal with the 'weak opposing the strong using numerous tactics'. At the same time doing nothing but Broil/Ruin II and having a slow-to-respond fairy takes away some of that feeling since their healing toolkit is inherently fighting against itself, so meh.
    I don't see it how SCH being a "tactitian" conflicts with having some sort of build up. I did admit that having no build up is a unique gameplay, but it still makes SCH rather stale.

    FFXI's version of SCH worked around using certain skills before your spells to modify their behaviour and potency, just like Emergency Tactics. As a tactitian, you'd be surveying the battlefield, looking for openings and weaknesses in your enemies.

    I personally think Chain Stratagem should get a similar treatment to divination. Rather than being a thing you press and forget, it should have a build-up, where you gather intel on the enemy with a Libra spell, then reveal their weakness to the group.
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  2. #92
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    QooEr's Avatar
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    Qoo Er
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    I don't see it how SCH being a "tactitian" conflicts with having some sort of build up. I did admit that having no build up is a unique gameplay, but it still makes SCH rather stale.
    i mean scholar before shb didnt have any buildup either, but its fun came from upkeeping the rotation and micromanaging the fairy. scholar really just needs more stuff to do to make it fun again

    i agree with chain being boring as it is rn though. its so press and forget..
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  3. #93
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Silly me. I thought this thread was about Dissipate.

    Moving on.
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  4. #94
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    Gunther Frey
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Respectfully, let's not pretend that lore matters anymore to the FFXIV developers.

    They've pretty much gutted the fairy. They've removed most preventative play style from SCH and given them more reactive spells.

    They're made all of AST's cards essentially the same in direct opposition to the in game lore.
    If they gave no care about the lore, they would've probably completely gutted these tbh.
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  5. #95
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    If they gave no care about the lore, they would've probably completely gutted these tbh.
    Looks to me like they already have.



    The fairy not only had half of it simply deleted but also turned from your healing "companion" into a glorified oGCD.
    Shields are mostly pointless outside of early prog, just take the damage and heal it with a superior oGCD than waste your GCDs on shielding.
    The current version of cards goes against it's own lore, everything is just a worse balance.
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  6. #96
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    Gunther Frey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    Looks to me like they already have.



    The fairy not only had half of it simply deleted but also turned from your healing "companion" into a glorified oGCD.
    Shields are mostly pointless outside of early prog, just take the damage and heal it with a superior oGCD than waste your GCDs on shielding.
    The current version of cards goes against it's own lore, everything is just a worse balance.
    As long as they are still there they are not completely gutted. That was the point I was trying to make.
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  7. #97
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    Ea Sin
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by inhaledcorn View Post
    You still have access to regular Energy Drain, but you get a free use of Energy Drain if you use Aetherflow on something not Energy Drain. That's how TBN works: you use the MP on the shield or damage, but if the shield protected you/someone, then you get the damage as well. You don't have to make a choice between them, and you use the skill as it was intended. That's the problem SCH is having right now: Aetherflow isn't being used as intended, but that's because there's no incentive to do so.
    It would need to be scaled properly. Unlike for DRK ogcding on sch is a dps loss so we would need to make that dps up again to make it worthwhile. Right now you don't even have a good reason to ED, you only do it if you have a window.
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  8. #98
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    Periwinkle Cockscomb
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    Midgardsormr
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    Scholar Lv 86
    These changes to scholar, or them thinking this is the solution to the issues scholars face, makes me worried for the state of healers in 6.0
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