7.0 and Beyond: Vana'diel?

[Vahlnir]

They would never shut down 11, because it's considered a main entry in the franchise

They would if it was no longer profitable. It very clearly remains profitable for the time being.

[Lihtleita]

They would if it was no longer profitable. It very clearly remains profitable for the time being.

pour one out for every mobile ff game thats been put in the ground while ffxi still has an active playerbase

[Kewitt]

As a long time play my hubby and I talk about this all the time. It would be great to launch both and EXP in FFXIV and the new version of FFXI they have been working on at the same time.

[Nestama]

I do find it funny how it's okay for Nier Automaton to be canon in FFXIV but draw a line in the sand with FFXI even though Vana'diel and Eorzea have a lot more in common. Bottom line is if Yoshi-P changes his minde decides to make Vana'diel apart of FFXIV, they are going to do it regardless of lore, they have already done it.

The NieR raid is being treated as a sort of sequel or something to Automata (also technically aliens who came from another world. Probably. We'll probably know what's up once the story concludes in 5.5). That's why it kinda gets a pass. For XI, it's more complicated because Hydaelyn and Vana'diel are two completely different worlds with their own lore and races (as mentioned previously). Do they have some things in common, yes. But that's where it ends. Absolute Virtue in XIV (allegedly created by Eureka. I think it's like Zantesuken where the Lance is an Eikon and AV is just a victim transformed) is not the same AV in XI (part of the Aern race). There's also no voidsent in XI. Soulflayers in XI are BLU's who messed up, whereas SoulMindflayers in XIV are voidsent from the 13th.

Shantotto has the magic power to travel to other worlds (she even says as much in XI when you get her as a Trust: "As an aside, one of my journeys of late took me to another world. Though far be it from me to mention what calamities might have occurred"). She also has a story dedicated to explaining how she gained that power. Iroha appearing in XIV is something I've always been sceptical about, though. Rhapsodies ends with a satisfying conclusion (even she's satisfied as she disappears), yet when she winds up in XIV, she's all "I NEED TO GET BACK AND FIGHT!" but then doesn't and it's just... I don't get it.

[Erza_Scarlets]

There actually are voidsent in XI. The whole voidwatch story line is related to them and they are included in other story lines. They may not have a monster family for voidsent, but there defiantly are voidsent in XI.

[Nestama]

Never really got a chance to do the Voidwatch stuff, so I completely forgot about it. Looking it up though, I think they referred to them as Voidwalkers or something. That said, XI's void is also completely different from XIV's.

Even XI and XIV's Cloud of Darkness is completely different. XIV's has a similar appearance to III's CoD, but she's otherwise a being of pure darkness likely responsible for the Flood of Darkness. XI's CoD takes on a completely new appearance, yet borrows the same ideas from III on how the CoD can materialise (an imbalance between light and dark. The Void/Emptiness is neither and seeks to return everything to nothing).

[MsQi]

I don't really subscribe to XI being one of the shards or reflections in XIV. I think those 14 worlds are part of the XIV "universe" or a sort of contained multiverse that is unique to XIV. The idea that all FF worlds are part of a larger multiverse is implied but hardly explored throughout the series. The Noctis we see may not be the same Noctis that you play as in XV but maybe from an alternate reality of the prime FFXV universe.

Iroha appearing in XIV is something I've always been sceptical about, though. Rhapsodies ends with a satisfying conclusion (even she's satisfied as she disappears), yet when she winds up in XIV, she's all "I NEED TO GET BACK AND FIGHT!" but then doesn't and it's just... I don't get it.

I don't know what happens on the XI side, but the Iroha we meet in XIV is clearly not in her right mind, even after she regains her memories. She may be a different Iroha.

[Dyvid]

The NieR raid is being treated as a sort of sequel or something to Automata (also technically aliens who came from another world. Probably. We'll probably know what's up once the story concludes in 5.5). That's why it kinda gets a pass. For XI, it's more complicated because Hydaelyn and Vana'diel are two completely different worlds with their own lore and races (as mentioned previously). Do they have some things in common, yes. But that's where it ends. Absolute Virtue in XIV (allegedly created by Eureka. I think it's like Zantesuken where the Lance is an Eikon and AV is just a victim transformed) is not the same AV in XI (part of the Aern race). There's also no voidsent in XI. Soulflayers in XI are BLU's who messed up, whereas SoulMindflayers in XIV are voidsent from the 13th.

Shantotto has the magic power to travel to other worlds (she even says as much in XI when you get her as a Trust: "As an aside, one of my journeys of late took me to another world. Though far be it from me to mention what calamities might have occurred"). She also has a story dedicated to explaining how she gained that power. Iroha appearing in XIV is something I've always been sceptical about, though. Rhapsodies ends with a satisfying conclusion (even she's satisfied as she disappears), yet when she winds up in XIV, she's all "I NEED TO GET BACK AND FIGHT!" but then doesn't and it's just... I don't get it.

Thus you prove my point, the devs can and will do whatever they want and craft a story behind it to make it work. At face value FFXIV and Nier have no relation what so ever other than the fact that the the producers are friends and wanted to do a collaboration together. Same thing with Monster Hunter, Yo-Kai, Garo, or Dragon Quest. This is less about if the Devs can do it, or more along the lines if the players want them to do it.

[Enkidoh]

Thus you prove my point, the devs can and will do whatever they want and craft a story behind it to make it work. At face value FFXIV and Nier have no relation what so ever other than the fact that the the producers are friends and wanted to do a collaboration together. Same thing with Monster Hunter, Yo-Kai, Garo, or Dragon Quest. This is less about if the Devs can do it, or more along the lines if the players want them to do it.

Except as I've stated before the development team themselves have outright stated that lore wise there is no connection between Hydaelyn and Vana'diel whatsoever, they're both completely different and seperate worlds in completely different universes (and thus no story reason for adding 'a trip to Vana'diel'):

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Q: A lot of names from Ivalice have been mentioned such as Dalmasca, Belias, and Zodiak. Is there some kind of connection between Hydaelyn and Ivalice?
A: Maehiro: To be absolutely clear, there is no direct connection between FFXIV’s Hydaelyn and FFXII’s Ivalice or even FFXI’s Vana’diel. They are not the same world in different dimensions or time—they are their own separate worlds. However, there are certain connections to people or objects that appear in these other worlds that figure into the story of FFXIV as it has been conceived and is being told.

Yoshida: We’ll be revealing more as we move forward.

The closest you'll get to 'FFXI content in FFXIV' is the two FFXI events that have happened previously, and Eureka, which is at the very least inspired by FFXI in gameplay in spirit if not thematically (as well as having FFXI music and even Absolute Virtue as a boss).

You simply will not, nor never be, journeying to Vana'diel as part of FFXIV's story, that's just being realistic.

[Kiurai]

I remember seeing some people were unhappy about not giving certain elements of other FFs that end up in 14 a new spin like Landis, Rabanstre, Viera/Viis culture, etc. Which if Vanadiel existed in 14's universe they'd probably have to explain why we'd go there, and why we aren't going to the 2 other large locations already in 14 (Meracydia + New World)