Thread: 7.0 and Beyond: Vana'diel?

I don't see any chance of this happening. FFXIV's two past crossover events for FFXI featured FFXI npcs visiting Hydaelyn (one is still technically stuck here) and not the player's character (or even a boilerplate standin for them) so we will not see the reverse happening (FFXI's equivelant FFXIV crossover event to the Shantotto and Iroha events in FFXIV simply featured Eorzean spriggans somehow materializing in Vana'diel).

Yoshi is interested in taking FFXIV's story in a new direction once the current 'Hydaelyn/Zodiark/Primals/Ascians/Echo/Garleans' story is resolved, but that will obviously just still involve Hydaelyn itself as there is still so much of the planet that is yet to be revealed (the far western continent, Meraycdia and the southern islands, the rest of Hingashi beyond Kugane, Sharalyan and the northern islands the roegadyn came from, and of course, Islabard and the Empire itself) and many mysteries still waiting to be uncovered without having to uncomfortably shoehorn in another FF game's world to visit (mashing up the Ivalice games and their stories to fit into FFXIV's setting and lore for the Return to Ivalice raids already pushed consistancy over the edge as it was).

So I have to say a big no to this I'm sorry.

I forget is the Eleventh shard still around? Cause that would be the only way to really link the two games naturally.

Originally Posted by Eloah

I forget is the Eleventh shard still around? Cause that would be the only way to really link the two games naturally.

Not really at all. The 'Shards are the previous thirteen FF game worlds' theory was debunked long ago (and ShB disproved the theory once and for beyond all doubt), the Shards are just alternate/parallel world versions of Hydaelyn where things turned out slightly differently but with the exact same races and even basic geography as the Source Hydaelyn (if the First's world map of Norvrandt and Kohlusia closely resembling Aldernard and La Noscea on the Eorzean map is anything to go by as representative of all the Shards). Sure there is some thematic similatities between Shards (or more accurately, the circumstances of Calamities which destroyed them) to respective numbered FF games, but they're not those literal FF worlds.

The First is not FFI's 'World A'. The Seventh is (or was) not FFVII's Planet. The Ninth is not Gaia/Terra. The Thirteenth was not Coccoon/Pulse before the Flood of Darkness turned it into the World of Darkness/the Void (which, ironically, are from past FF games, but not the game whose numeral that Shard was! ) etc. So hence the Eleventh is not Vana'diel.

Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Not really at all. The 'Shards are the previous thirteen FF game worlds' theory was debunked long ago (and ShB disproved the theory once and for beyond all doubt), the Shards are just alternate/parallel world versions of Hydaelyn where things turned out slightly differently but with the exact same races and even basic geography as the Source Hydaelyn (if the First's world map of Norvrandt and Kohlusia closely resembling Aldernard and La Noscea on the Eorzean map is anything to go by as representative of all the Shards). Sure there is some thematic similatities between Shards (or more accurately, the circumstances of Calamities which destroyed them) to respective numbered FF games, but they're not those literal FF worlds.

The First is not FFI's 'World A'. The Seventh is (or was) not FFVII's Planet. The Ninth is not Gaia/Terra. The Thirteenth was not Coccoon/Pulse before the Flood of Darkness turned it into the World of Darkness/the Void (which, ironically, are from past FF games, but not the game whose numeral that Shard was! ) etc. So hence the Eleventh is not Vana'diel.

I mean, we haven't heard anything about the 11th. We can't say it ISN'T Vana'diel, but it is unlikely for sure. If they were to attach Vana'diel to the game somehow they would probably use the 11th though. Unless they go for an alternate universe thing which I'd rather they not do.

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I mean, we haven't heard anything about the 11th. We can't say it ISN'T Vana'diel, but it is unlikely for sure. If they were to attach Vana'diel to the game somehow they would probably use the 11th though. Unless they go for an alternate universe thing which I'd rather they not do.

But they wont do that because it's already been stated in the past that Vana'diel is an entirelly seperate world in an entirelly different dimension with no actual connection to Hydaelyn at all (both in game during the crossover events and straight from Yoshi himself), so I do not see them contradicting that.

Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Not really at all. The 'Shards are the previous thirteen FF game worlds' theory was debunked long ago (and ShB disproved the theory once and for beyond all doubt), the Shards are just alternate/parallel world versions of Hydaelyn where things turned out slightly differently but with the exact same races and even basic geography as the Source Hydaelyn (if the First's world map of Norvrandt and Kohlusia closely resembling Aldernard and La Noscea on the Eorzean map is anything to go by as representative of all the Shards). Sure there is some thematic similatities between Shards (or more accurately, the circumstances of Calamities which destroyed them) to respective numbered FF games, but they're not those literal FF worlds.

The First is not FFI's 'World A'. The Seventh is (or was) not FFVII's Planet. The Ninth is not Gaia/Terra. The Thirteenth was not Coccoon/Pulse before the Flood of Darkness turned it into the World of Darkness/the Void (which, ironically, are from past FF games, but not the game whose numeral that Shard was! ) etc. So hence the Eleventh is not Vana'diel.

I think you might be missing what I was getting at. I'm not saying that the 13 shards are the other 13 FF worlds, but they are allusions to them, that's what I meant. I checked and the Eleventh is still an active shard, so it is possible to have allusions to FFXI for that world, just as we have had them for the First and the Thirteen.

Also to anyone wondering, the shards remaining, besides the First, are the Fourth, Eighth, Ninth, and Eleventh. In order the shards that we rejoined were, the Fifth, Twelfth, Second, Third, Sixth, Tenth, Seventh. And we know the Thirteenth is out of commission at the moment.

A lot of assumptions were made to get to this point, most of them are faulty.

1) the FFXI plot has been wrapped up with RoV which was the the cross over event was about in XIV.
2) Vana'diel is NOT a shard. The devs have even been pretty explicit on this point. XI is its own game and just like every other FF title its heavily influenced and reuses tropes and characters from previous games. But even by this logic Gran Pulse and Eos would be shards; lest we forget the crossover events for XIII and XV. and by extension so are Yo-kai, Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Neir Automata and FFXII which wouldn't even be a shard.
3) There already was an attempt to migrate people in 1.0 if you ever notice the legacy characters that have last names of XI servers. There was a promotional thing for that.
4) There is not some massive amount of resources dedicated to maintaining a 20 year old game. A game which has been wrapped up some time ago. Its a handful of people keeping the lights on fixing minor bugs on a couple servers that could probably be run on a the space of personal AWS account these days.
5) Discontinuing a game's service on its 20th anniversary doesn't feel especially celebratory.


The only time XI holds back XIV is when the player base gets nostalgia pangs for the way something was in XI that won't translate to the format of this game RE: blue mage.
While obviously related and inspired by each other, the games are pretty different animals and at very different point in their lifecycle. I don't get the need for synergy here.