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    Shame they made the game addicting enough for some people to put up with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidle View Post
    Shame they made the game addicting enough for some people to put up with it.
    more a shame that some people are so "addicted" that they essentially condone cheating
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    While I agree that bots are a huge problem, I fear that going on witch hunts for bots is going to catch a bunch of MB aficionados in the crossfire.

    It happened to me in WoW. Someone reported me as a bot because I managed to take their market away from them and dominate it for the 4-12 hours a day I was on. Bliz in their infinite stupidity simply banned my account without doing any research at all. I DID eventually get my account back but it was a horrid process. I wasn't even using TSM. I was just checking the AH between each activity and adjusting prices. So maybe every 30-60 minutes.

    Be careful who you report. Be VERY sure they are indeed bots. There are people out there who like I used to be live and breath for the MB. Some of them might be hard to distinguish from a bot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrany View Post
    While I agree that bots are a huge problem, I fear that going on witch hunts for bots is going to catch a bunch of MB aficionados in the crossfire.

    It happened to me in WoW. Someone reported me as a bot because I managed to take their market away from them and dominate it for the 4-12 hours a day I was on. Bliz in their infinite stupidity simply banned my account without doing any research at all. I DID eventually get my account back but it was a horrid process. I wasn't even using TSM. I was just checking the AH between each activity and adjusting prices. So maybe every 30-60 minutes.

    Be careful who you report. Be VERY sure they are indeed bots. There are people out there who like I used to be live and breath for the MB. Some of them might be hard to distinguish from a bot.
    I imagine that even you, in your living and breathing the market, took breaks, ate, went to sleep, maybe even left the house and were not online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

    as you stated, 4-12 hours a day... thats simply lack of observation on the part of blizzard and the other player. We have people who are so brazen the only time they are "offline" is after maintenance" and they havent logged the bots back in. thats it. the rest of the time they are on and marketting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    I imagine that even you, in your living and breathing the market, took breaks, ate, went to sleep, maybe even left the house and were not online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

    as you stated, 4-12 hours a day... thats simply lack of observation on the part of blizzard and the other player. We have people who are so brazen the only time they are "offline" is after maintenance" and they havent logged the bots back in. thats it. the rest of the time they are on and marketting.
    Agreed but my point is that there are "Bad Actors" who will use the witch hunt to get rid of honest competition. Which is basically what happened to me. It is also possible that there will be some who don't do their research into possible bots well enough.

    Like I said in my post be very sure before a report is written. Please do not mistake my intention here. I am actually all for getting rid of the bots. I am just saying be very careful in who you label as one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrany View Post
    Agreed but my point is that there are "Bad Actors" who will use the witch hunt to get rid of honest competition. Which is basically what happened to me. It is also possible that there will be some who don't do their research into possible bots well enough.

    Like I said in my post be very sure before a report is written. Please do not mistake my intention here. I am actually all for getting rid of the bots. I am just saying be very careful in who you label as one.
    if SE is going to assess penalties without any investigation so that in your scenario these "bad actors" can get rid of competition, then we might as well let the bots have the market and the game. its a poor argument to blame doing nothing on a fear that people will misuse it. people are already cheating, so on the off chance that someone innocent might get banned we should continue to allow them to do virtually nothing to combat the bots?

    no thank you.
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