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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetonis View Post
    TpS is well known for being not-great at damage optimization, and it's actually silly to take what WF racers say about job balance seriously.
    Who should we take seriously?

    If not the people for whom job balance literally makes or breaks their objective, then who?

    The Speedrunners? Speedrunners don't actually care about job balance, they care about getting the fastest possible kill time, which has very little to do with balancing. The only case they overlap is when they want to speedrun, get the best potential runtime, and do it on any job they feel like playing at the time.

    The...average joe? I can tell you people don't take me seriously on the matter.

    The week 1 clearers? If we're not taking World Race views seriously, why should we take the Not-As-Dedicated-As-World-First people seriously?

    World First race teams that use unexpected picks say volumes about the state of Job Balance without having to say anything, but it's also usually what we don't want to hear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Who should we take seriously?

    If not the people for whom job balance literally makes or breaks their objective, then who?

    The Speedrunners? Speedrunners don't actually care about job balance, they care about getting the fastest possible kill time, which has very little to do with balancing. The only case they overlap is when they want to speedrun, get the best potential runtime, and do it on any job they feel like playing at the time.

    The...average joe? I can tell you people don't take me seriously on the matter.

    The week 1 clearers? If we're not taking World Race views seriously, why should we take the Not-As-Dedicated-As-World-First people seriously?

    World First race teams that use unexpected picks say volumes about the state of Job Balance without having to say anything, but it's also usually what we don't want to hear.
    You shouldn't take clearly ridiculous explanations seriously, even if the person saying it has (insert clout here). You don't need to listen to anybody to tell you what's common sense.

    And job balance does not make or break world first kills. Nothing is tuned hard enough to make that the case. Mechanical identification, execution, and the creation of strats does. Stuff like getting your sleep schedule in place, knowing how to eat, etc. does. Having a good team dynamic with just the right number of cooks in the kitchen does. Job balance is just about the last thing that's relevant.

    Asserting that Dancer is harder to get strong damage out of, compared to Bard, is fine. That's true, I agree with that generally and it's obvious if you've watched each tier play out over time.

    Saying it's because Dancer's procs demand more attention than Bard's is laughable. I can only assume their Bard wasn't on the show, or maybe just didn't feel like saying it was personal comfort, or something was lost in translation when posted here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cetonis View Post
    You shouldn't take clearly ridiculous explanations seriously, even if the person saying it has (insert clout here). You don't need to listen to anybody to tell you what's common sense.

    And job balance does not make or break world first kills. Nothing is tuned hard enough to make that the case. Mechanical identification, execution, and the creation of strats does. Stuff like getting your sleep schedule in place, knowing how to eat, etc. does. Having a good team dynamic with just the right number of cooks in the kitchen does. Job balance is just about the last thing that's relevant.

    Asserting that Dancer is harder to get strong damage out of, compared to Bard, is fine. That's true, I agree with that generally and it's obvious if you've watched each tier play out over time.

    Saying it's because Dancer's procs demand more attention than Bard's is laughable. I can only assume their Bard wasn't on the show, or maybe just didn't feel like saying it was personal comfort, or something was lost in translation when posted here.
    Why does it come off as you trying to find any reason to be upset that they used a bard? Whether or not a proc is easier to manage is a matter of opinion and preference anyway.
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