Developers : Healer design mentality needs to change

[Flay_wind]

It's kind of hilarious, how they got BLU Healing close to what people want. It's an antithesis to the 3 current healing jobs we have and it's incredibly fun in comparison.
So, what i usually do. Throw a shield pre pull. Open with my Bristle'd SoT. Depending on the incoming damage i adjust number of Pom Cures/White Wind needed. Throw more shields for the incoming AoEs. Heal with White Wind or Exuviation after said aoes. If there's a really big magical damage incoming i can pop Magic Hammer + Addle for additional mitigation. In the really healing intensive fights (hello T13) where i have to use White Wind a lot, and need some MP i can look for some safe windows to use Blood Drain to regain MP. And there's 5 OGCDs on various timers which you can weave between Pom Cures / Sonic Booms.
So, all in all BLU Healer has 4 core GCD healing spells and a lot of damage OGCDs/utility stuff. And that's more than enough to clear Savage fights.
P.S. White Wind is incredibly busted, but eh.

[Vickii]

I don’t want to sound like a troll here but honestly I see why they want to keep healing very simple. We already fail many runs because two healers can’t do basic mechanics or press a button.

Healers have a lot of control over the run and yesterday was just painful for me on the third Eden and Titan unreal because of healers dying. So keep it simple, because most of them can’t manage with what they have.

In a game like WOW with devoted classes you get a far better standard of healer and they can manage more advanced stuff, but that’s their only job. Here people are playing it for glamour for their cat girl.

[GrimGale]

I don’t want to sound like a troll here but honestly I see why they want to keep healing very simple. We already fail many runs because two healers can’t do basic mechanics or press a button.

Healers have a lot of control over the run and yesterday was just painful for me on the third Eden and Titan unreal because of healers dying. So keep it simple, because most of them can’t manage with what they have.

In a game like WOW with devoted classes you get a far better standard of healer and they can manage more advanced stuff, but that’s their only job. Here people are playing it for glamour for their cat girl.

That's a terrible argument. How does that not apply to Dps and tanks aswell?

Should devs just make everyclass a 1 button spam fest so that everyone can focus on mechanics?

[Vickii]

That's a terrible argument. How does that not apply to Dps and tanks aswell?

Should devs just make everyclass a 1 button spam fest so that everyone can focus on mechanics?

We don’t all have to jump off the platform and start again if dps die, and tanks generally are of a much higher quality than healer in this game.

[Thoosa]

I’ve seen some terrible tanks in PF so wouldn’t say there are many more good tanks than healers, it’s just that healer death usually has a little more impact than a tank dying, although more often than not, when a tank does die, the run is over, because the OT doesn’t voke properly, or places the boss where it should be, etc, etc.

There are some really excellent tanks and some really excellent healers out there. I don’t think dumbing the role down will help

[tdb]

Part of me wants to say that last statement is all hogwash, and wants to believe that players would adapt to either more DPS skills, or increased healing requirements. Then I hop into a NM raid where a DPS player or one of the healers go down because they were not topped up to survive an unavoidable, and then they stay down since the healer is making no effort to raise the fallen players. I really wish this was a strawman argument; or even a really rare occurrence. It happens far too often though, and I am quite sure the devs are aware of it.

I don’t want to sound like a troll here but honestly I see why they want to keep healing very simple. We already fail many runs because two healers can’t do basic mechanics or press a button.

This here is the reason me and my most active friend prefer to do raids, especially new ones, as healers. Two competent healers can save a run in a way no other role can. If the double healer queue is unbearably long I might switch to RDM so I can at least make sure raises are dished out in a timely fashion and occasionally help a little bit with heals (though a single healer is more than sufficient if people don't die too much).

That's a terrible argument. How does that not apply to Dps and tanks aswell?

Inept dps will result in a slower but successful run.

Inept tank will result in more work for the healer, but the run will succeed.

Inept healer will result in wipes and a failed run.

[Soupa]

I’ve just started telling people not to play SCH to save themselves from the torture of brain dead playstyle that is endgame SCH, go play literally anything else. Differentiate the healers again because this expansion is a good example of why homogenizing them is not a viable option. You could theoretically remove the job altogether because the other classes do everything better anyway and are more fun. Don’t even get me started on how broken seraph is.

Signed,

-A 7 year SCH main

[AceofRains]

As a Scholar main... I actually still like healing on Scholar. DPS rotation sure, could use some love- but I’m not looking for some amazing DPS rotation to be quite honest. I’m looking for 2 main things: an Upgrade to Ruin II (maybe a proc based spender upgrade.) and I’m looking for Selene to be repurposed as a DPS fairy. I feel like she should be basic attacking instead of basic healing so that a swap between Eos and Selene feels more meaningful. If Selene is out being a DPS Fairy, then it means I have to lean more into healing my self at times, and would make it more reasonable to hit an emergency Dissipation while she’s out.

Fey Illuminarion -> Fey Dream Dust (AoE sleep, and for the love of god make sleep effective by making the next attack against sleepers critical direct.)
Whispering Dawn -> Whispering Dusk (AoE DoT)
The effect of Aetherpact should also be changed based on the Fairy being used.

[Absurdity]

We don’t all have to jump off the platform and start again if dps die, and tanks generally are of a much higher quality than healer in this game.

Tanks are not generally of a much higher quality, it's just that the game design and changes with ShB make it very hard to notice when a tank is bad.

No matter how bad a tank is, with the new stances they can not lose aggro if they are capable of pressing 1-2-3...or basically any button at all. The same goes for a tank's dps contribution, which is hard to notice in any content that isn't extreme or savage (and most likely requires 3rd party tools even there) and the only one that will notice a tank that is terrible at mitigating damage is the healer, unless the tank manages to die in one hit.

Bad healers however are very easy to notice, people simply die. Granted this is only one area in which a healer can be bad, the dps side of things is just as hard to notice as it is for bad tanks.

[Vickii]

Tanks are not generally of a much higher quality, it's just that the game design and changes with ShB make it very hard to notice when a tank is bad.

No matter how bad a tank is, with the new stances they can not lose aggro if they are capable of pressing 1-2-3...or basically any button at all. The same goes for a tank's dps contribution, which is hard to notice in any content that isn't extreme or savage (and most likely requires 3rd party tools even there) and the only one that will notice a tank that is terrible at mitigating damage is the healer, unless the tank manages to die in one hit.

Bad healers however are very easy to notice, people simply die. Granted this is only one area in which a healer can be bad, the dps side of things is just as hard to notice as it is for bad tanks.

I think you only notice dps if one dies multiple times when no one else does or if they’re all/both very low. Otherwise the standard is one good, one bad and everyone else average so it all takes about the same amount to die.

What annoys me most about healers, is for example someone queued for Titan unreal as a healer and says ‘first time here, is there any tactics I should know about’? Then predictably died to every mechanic which meant they wasted about an hour of my time.

Healer mains should queue difficult content as a bard or something until they’re familiar enough to heal it.