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  1. #29541
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    Katie_Kitty's Avatar
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    Princess Whiskers
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    Exodus
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    Quote Originally Posted by tdb View Post
    The penalty is there to encourage you to not waste the time of other players. Especially if it's the tank or healer who leaves, the remaining players may be forced to wait tens of minutes before a replacement can be found, or alternatively queue for the duty again which also may take significant time (in addition to having to redo the duty from the beginning). It's only fair that the person who leaves is similarly inconvenienced.

    If you wish to play with no regard to other players, I recommend picking up another installment of the Final Fantasy series. Except for XI and XIV they're all single player games, with all the freedom of schedule that entails.
    well I hate to break it to ya but I have every right to leave a duty at any time I desire, and that's not changing.
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  2. #29542
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    tdb's Avatar
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    Mikayla Rainstone
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    Lich
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty View Post
    well I hate to break it to ya but I have every right to leave a duty at any time I desire, and that's not changing.
    Sure. Enjoy the penalties. Fortunately most players are more considerate than you.
    (3)

  3. #29543
    Player Rinhi's Avatar
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    Rinh Neftereh
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICountFrom0 View Post
    I had a group wipe lastnight. Yes the healer was a little weak, but that's also one of the hardest in it's level range to heal. I pulled double at the start (to the wall there is four packs), splat. So, I start off slower. Do one pack, have things under control, DPS runs and pulls a second pack. I grab it. Healer does not keep up. WIPE.

    Two packs was a wipe, so dps went and took a second pack anyway. Then started to insult the healer.

    Sometimes, this is what you get.
    hey, this is me!
    by insulting the healer, you mean asking them to use something else other than cure fricking 1 in bardam's mettle (in a snarky way, I admit)?
    because that's all I did aside from listing the other healing skills whm has at that rank, including lilies, which you said don't exist at that level (because they do)
    pulling the second pack was an accident, but at lvl 67 a white mage should use more than cure 1, which would make the accidental pull a non-issue
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  4. #29544
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Just came out fresh from a 50/60/70 roulette which thrown me into... Snowcloak.
    Who do I matched with? A sprout SAM, regular SMN, and a returner WAR who happened to be entering for his first time. I rolled in as a SCH.
    "Please be gentle." he said.

    Entire dungeon: single pulls, occasionally the WAR forgetting AoE and dodging AoEs.
    It's fine. What's not fine?

    The SMN.
    90% of the time I don't see any of their Miasma nor Bio. And when they do cast it... nope, no Bane at all.
    I'm even surprised he remembered to use Outburst vs 3+ mobs, still...
    What's even more irritating?
    I heard Physick sound effect.

    No, it's not my Physick. It's the SMN's Physick (!!)
    HP drop below 80%? Physick spam to full.
    Eos:"Am I a joke to you?"

    I look up his search info... several other classes at their 40-60s, BLM at 80
    "Okay, he clearly have 1 class to lv80, so... I mean, y'know what? Whatever.." /shrug
    My comm goes to the SAM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    hey, this is me!
    by insulting the healer, you mean asking them to use something else other than cure fricking 1 in bardam's mettle (in a snarky way, I admit)?
    because that's all I did aside from listing the other healing skills whm has at that rank, including lilies, which you said don't exist at that level (because they do)
    pulling the second pack was an accident, but at lvl 67 a white mage should use more than cure 1, which would make the accidental pull a non-issue
    Cure I usage past lv60 (arguably lv50) is like.. almost non-existent? Only 1% of time... even Regen'ing the tank while they're mid pulling are miles better than Cure I if they worry about not getting Cure II off (2s vs 1.5s cast time) as long as the WHM is huddling close to the tank all the time.
    Seriously, if there's any newbies reading this, please understand that Freecure is a trap trait
    (2)
    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 12-06-2020 at 08:49 AM.

    "Outside obvious jokes/sarcasm, I aim to convey my words to the future readers who may come across mine posts. Can I change -your- mind, somehow? Potentially... but that's not why I'm writing. You and I have wrote our piece(s). We don't necessarily need to change each other's mind. But we can change other's."

  5. #29545
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    Packetdancer's Avatar
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    Khit Amariyo
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by sleepy-bear View Post
    You seem a bit too quick to assume they were just being rude. If the run was otherwise going well, it's more likely they were disconnected or forced offline by some emergency.
    This. I had to bail on a dungeon once mid-run because I had to abruptly take someone to the hospital. And maybe it was rude, but no dungeon run is more important than someone's RL medical emergency.

    I mean, I did do "/p Medical emergency; I have to bail to drive someone to the ER. Please kick me for 'offline' once the game notices I'm gone so you can get a replacement. Really sorry." and then hard-quit the game, so hopefully the folks in that run knew I hadn't just bounced on them for no reason. But if it'd been a worse medical situation, I genuinely don't know if I'd have necessarily taken the time to type that.
    (4)
    Last edited by Packetdancer; 12-06-2020 at 09:59 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer
    The healer main's struggle for pants is both real, and unending. Be strong, sister. #GiveUsMorePants2k20 #HealersNotRevealers #RandomOtherSleepDeprivedHashtagsHere
    I aim to make my posts engaging and entertaining, even when you might not agree with me. And failing that, I'll just be very, VERY wordy.

  6. #29546
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    SturmChurro's Avatar
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    Sturm Churro
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    Marilith
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    Who cares if there is an emergency or not? You wanna leave, go for it. There is already a penalty in place, no further punishment is necessary. You'll probably get a replacement. If not? Oh well. Not much that can be done about it. I also guarantee you many of the people who are having "emergencies" are lying, they just don't want to be rude.
    (10)
    WHM | RDM | DNC

  7. #29547
    Player Rinhi's Avatar
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    Rinh Neftereh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Cure I usage past lv60 (arguably lv50) is like.. almost non-existent? Only 1% of time... even Regen'ing the tank while they're mid pulling are miles better than Cure I if they worry about not getting Cure II off (2s vs 1.5s cast time) as long as the WHM is huddling close to the tank all the time.
    Seriously, if there's any newbies reading this, please understand that Freecure is a trap trait
    you'd be surprised lol
    I have to add: that healer is their friend and iirc their white mage was actually at 80 at this point, so it's even more

    but hey, trying to help someone use their kit better warrants a kick, GCBTW is what they say for this kind of stuff, right?

    what was nice is that you guys saved me from a horrible run, so there's that
    the sprout tank and laggy healer I got afterwards had no issues with it, thankfully
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  8. #29548
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    Rannie's Avatar
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    Rannie Lfey
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    you'd be surprised lol
    I have to add: that healer is their friend and iirc their white mage was actually at 80 at this point, so it's even more

    but hey, trying to help someone use their kit better warrants a kick, GCBTW is what they say for this kind of stuff, right?

    what was nice is that you guys saved me from a horrible run, so there's that
    the sprout tank and laggy healer I got afterwards had no issues with it, thankfully
    The lily spell is a level 52 spell

    Afflatus Solace

    Lv. 52

    Spell

    Instant

    2.5s

    -

    30y

    0y

    Restores target's HP.
    Cure Potency: 700
    Additional Effect: Nourishes the Blood Lily


    So the person who said that stuff doesn't exist in bardam's mettle needs to go here

    https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/whitemage/

    They should even have Tetragrammaton at that level.
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    Last edited by Rannie; 12-06-2020 at 10:39 PM.

  9. #29549
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post
    you'd be surprised lol
    I have to add: that healer is their friend and iirc their white mage was actually at 80 at this point, so it's even more
    WHM at 80? Made me think that WHM levels to 80 purely by MSQ roulette... that's kinda sus. (Sorry, just had to type that lmao)

    I believe I’ve been surprised plenty of times already by meeting them in my quest to level all of my classes (they are ranging from manageable to nightmares to have). Ever since maxed out, I’ve been going back to healer role moreso than ever so I haven’t been seeing them in any content that only presents 1 healer spot... yet. Questionables are still common in raids.
    I remember matched up with a Cure I & Medica II spammer in bunker. Didn’t even let my excog/earthly star/horoscope to proc nor my whispering dawn/asylum/celestial opposition/collective unconscious to do its ticks, it made me sad to the point I stopped healing altogether, only pitching in when I see they’re struggling with their dwindling 0-1500 MP left from overhealing. Can you imagine a WHM running out of MP with hardly anybody dying in the party? I knew something was wrong with this WHM when this happens as early as mid 2nd boss fight. Starting from that point till the end of the raid, I can count the number of Afflatus Solace/Rapture casts being less than the amount of fingers on my both hands. That is like...so much lilies wasted.

    And don't get me started with how irritating the Cure I/Physick/Benefic sound effect is when its being spammed in anywhere lv50+.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rinhi View Post

    but hey, trying to help someone use their kit better warrants a kick, GCBTW is what they say for this kind of stuff, right?

    what was nice is that you guys saved me from a horrible run, so there's that
    the sprout tank and laggy healer I got afterwards had no issues with it, thankfully
    There’s also some player that thinks “Lily” refers to “Afflatus Misery”, not Solace nor Rapture (yea, they do exist...). It’s really sad to see players enabling these bad habits. No wonder they are more likely to join with their friends.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    WHM Skill Facts.
    You forgot to add one line:
    "Bardam's Mettle Lv Requirement: 65 (Sync. at lv66)"
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 12-06-2020 at 11:56 PM.

  10. #29550
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    Rannie Lfey
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    Ah yes, how silly of me to forget that crucial detail... thank you for adding that.

    LOL
    (0)
    I have a secret to tell. From my electrical well. It's a simple message and I'm leaving out the whistles and bells. So the room must listen to me Filibuster vigilantly. My name is blue canary one note* spelled l-i-t-e. My story's infinite Like the Longines Symphonette it doesn't rest- TMBG Birdhouse in your Soul
    A huge THANK YOU!!!! For FINALLY selling the Meteor Survivor Polo on the store. AND a huge thanks to my friend who bought it for me while he was at Fan Fest!!! YES I finally have my POLO!!!

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