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    I'd rather see resources allocated elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I'd rather see resources allocated elsewhere.
    I second this sentiment
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I'd rather see resources allocated elsewhere.
    Cool story.

    I was asking if it was a thing, or if other people wanted to see something minor like that. I wasn't demanding it be in game. I wasn't suggesting that such a feature should take priority over other content. I also don't think talking about things we think would be cool is an odd thing, given how many resources the developers put into things like making sure hats work for Viera... or adding Mahjong to the game. There are plenty of things devs could put more or less time into, and I'm not demanding anything. I'm literally only saying I think it would be cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AerilaHerekol View Post

    I was asking if it was a thing, or if other people wanted to see something minor like that.
    This is not minor. This would require thousands of changes to dialogue and localizing over many languages that have actual gendered language. ... Which is why it likely won't be seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    This is not minor. This would require thousands of changes to dialogue and localizing over many languages that have actual gendered language. ... Which is why it likely won't be seen.
    Well, it might or might not be, depending on how the dialogue system is implemented.

    If the dialogue is stored with each line like "I warned {firstname}, I told {m=him|f=her} this would happen." or if you store separate gendered versions of the entire line, then it would indeed be thousands of changes to dialogue. But if the dialogue is stored like "I warned {firstname}, I told {objp} this would happen.", then you just need to define one new set of objective, subjective, possessive, etc. pronouns, and boom, the dialogue's changed globally. I have no idea which way they did it.

    Truthfully, I suspect they did it the first way, but it's not entirely relevant. Because even if you didn't have to change thousands of lines in the text dialogue, where it would likely get problematic is that they do seem to have a toggle to switch between two voice lines when the WoL is referenced by a pronoun, and if you added a third set of potential non-gendered pronouns those would all need to get an additional version recorded. Which is where it would absolutely become complicated to do. Especially in cases where the original voice actor for those lines is no longer contracted with SquareEnix (i.e., the Realm Reborn voice cast) or has since passed away (like Yugiri's Heavensward VA, or Honoroit's VA).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AerilaHerekol View Post
    Cool story.

    I was asking if it was a thing, or if other people wanted to see something minor like that. I wasn't demanding it be in game. I wasn't suggesting that such a feature should take priority over other content. I also don't think talking about things we think would be cool is an odd thing, given how many resources the developers put into things like making sure hats work for Viera... or adding Mahjong to the game. There are plenty of things devs could put more or less time into, and I'm not demanding anything. I'm literally only saying I think it would be cool.
    To answer your actual question, no. The game is strictly built that your character's male/female choice is what dictates the pronouns the game uses, and due to the extensive work it'd take to make it work in this game (reprogramming the way the game handles the pronoun selection, changing how the script functions in languages that have gendered languages like French, etc), along with the fact Japan isn't exactly the zenith of these sorts of issues, it's likely impossible it'll ever be added in. The best you can do is add your pronouns of choice to your search info for other player interactions and just deal with the story using ones you don't prefer.

    That being said, while I do agree his comment wasn't all the necessary since you weren't asking for it to be added to the game, only asking if it was possible currently; this is a public forum, and when people bring up things that are huge controversial discussions in the real world into their fantasy game, you should expect some pushback and opinions popping up regardless. It's the simple nature of the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AerilaHerekol View Post
    Cool story.

    I was asking if it was a thing, or if other people wanted to see something minor like that.
    If you're asking me: No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I'd rather see resources allocated elsewhere.
    This would hardly be much in terms of resources. If its wanting to use a male character and use female pronouns or vice-versa, all the work has already been done as the dialogue from NPCs already exists. It would simply be allowing the player to change that flag between M or F. Adding in they/them would be more work, sure. But a simple swap should be pretty simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
    This would hardly be much in terms of resources. If its wanting to use a male character and use female pronouns or vice-versa, all the work has already been done as the dialogue from NPCs already exists. It would simply be allowing the player to change that flag between M or F. Adding in they/them would be more work, sure. But a simple swap should be pretty simple.
    There is no flag.

    Or rather, there is a flag and it is the same flag that sets your character's physical gender.

    And it's not as simple as just adding a separate flag because - aside of the fact that it's like adding stuff to the character creator, which never happens - there would still be complications with dialogue where it wouldn't make sense for someone to address you by a pronoun that doesn't match your physical character. Whether it's someone you've just met or someone who regards you a certain way because of your appearance - Thancred addresses you differently for one, and there are some noticeable differences in some of the scenes with Magnai and Daidukul that absolutely aren't going to change just because you think you're X when you're physically Y.
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