We didn't get a deep dungeon this expansion because of Bozja

[ThatGuySaysHi]

And fate spamming is just so much more fun. Your point?

My point is with my original statement, Bozja has been great for fostering and nurturing a competent player base, and helping us level alt classes, all while aslo giving us Relic weapons. We don't need a Deep Dungeon because Bozja *is* the deep dungeon with more bells and whistles.

The last two Deep Dungeons have been copy and pastes of each other with a handful of room and monster variations, most of which melt until the last quarter of the tower/dungeon. You're saying that a Third one would be more fun than getting a area that offers multiple World Boss Encounters, and a Dungeon that's a somewhat more difficult than the 24-Man Raids. Those, combined with the FATEs, are on par if not better for Leveling than any Deep Dungeon.

[Chasingstars]

My point is with my original statement, Bozja has been great for fostering and nurturing a competent player base, and helping us level alt classes, all while aslo giving us Relic weapons. We don't need a Deep Dungeon because Bozja *is* the deep dungeon with more bells and whistles.

The last two Deep Dungeons have been copy and pastes of each other with a handful of room and monster variations, most of which melt until the last quarter of the tower/dungeon. You're saying that a Third one would be more fun than getting a area that offers multiple World Boss Encounters, and a Dungeon that's a somewhat more difficult than the 24-Man Raids. Those, combined with the FATEs, are on par if not better for Leveling than any Deep Dungeon.

To level an alt class it needs to be 71 min. So if you start fresh with anything, you can't touch bozja with that class until you reach the min level for it. Once inside, you would want to get earrings from it (if you don't have the preorder from shadowbringers) otherwise its a slower leveling pace. And the fastest way to do that is bring at least a level 71 tank with an essence of the irregular, a lost reflect, and taking off all your gear so you deal more reflected damage back at sprites.

Which to get the Lost Reflects and Essence of the Irregulars requires farming mobs. Once you turned in 1000 appraised items you get the earrings that makes leveling 10% faster while also stocking up your Lost Cache with potions, phoenix downs, lost reflects, auto items (reraise/potion/ether).

And your encouraged to farm items instead of doing CE (including Castrum) anyway if you want things like Essence of the Ordained (or Profane), Lost Death, Lost Focus, Lost Slash, etc. Which if doing a bunch of prep work sounds familiar to Eureka, its not too far off.

As for the Castrum itself, most of the difficulty behind castrum is figuring out who goes top or bottom, then who goes where to free the 6 prisoners, then figuring out who is the 8-man party that goes fight the mini-boss. Its about as hard as normal Alexander otherwise, well except for Refurbisher honestly from the Alexander raid as if you don't have everyone understanding how to handle the Full-Metal Faust, then prepare for many wipes.

[RyuDragnier]

To level an alt class it needs to be 71 min. So if you start fresh with anything, you can't touch bozja with that class until you reach the min level for it. Once inside, you would want to get earrings from it (if you don't have the preorder from shadowbringers) otherwise its a slower leveling pace. And the fastest way to do that is bring at least a level 71 tank with an essence of the irregular, a lost reflect, and taking off all your gear so you deal more reflected damage back at sprites.

The min level for it is just like the min lvl for HoH, but I don't know why you're bringing that up when you're apparently fine with HoH having it. HoH is also a slower leveling pace without the proper earrings, so again, why are you bringing that up? Fastest doesn't always mean most fun. The best way to level in PotD was to spam floors 51-60, and that was boring as hell.

Which to get the Lost Reflects and Essence of the Irregulars requires farming mobs. Once you turned in 1000 appraised items you get the earrings that makes leveling 10% faster while also stocking up your Lost Cache with potions, phoenix downs, lost reflects, auto items (reraise/potion/ether).

You can buy fragments from the market board, for really cheap I may add. Or you can exchange 1 Bozjan Cluster for 5 or 4 forgotten fragments.

And your encouraged to farm items instead of doing CE (including Castrum) anyway if you want things like Essence of the Ordained (or Profane), Lost Death, Lost Focus, Lost Slash, etc. Which if doing a bunch of prep work sounds familiar to Eureka, its not too far off.

All you really need is an Essence of the Bloodsucker/Beast/Templar and you're good to go for a lot of the place, including Castrum, since they'll help you survive easily. You're not really expected to bring anything if you're new. Lost Death isn't required for Castrum, it just makes saving the prisoners easier and faster due to the possibility of 1-shotting the guards/executioners. The prep work for Castrum is significantly less than Baldesian Arsenal as a whole.

[Chasingstars]

The min level for it is just like the min lvl for HoH, but I don't know why you're bringing that up when you're apparently fine with HoH having it. HoH is also a slower leveling pace without the proper earrings, so again, why are you bringing that up? Fastest doesn't always mean most fun. The best way to level in PotD was to spam floors 51-60, and that was boring as hell.

I bring it up as lets say you unlock any class today, how long does it take you to level that class from either level 1, 30, 50, or 60 to 71 so you can access the content to help level your alts? Sure it might seem like a no brainer if you already have your classes leveled or mostly leveled, but for newcomers the real alternative is roulettes.

With bringing up the earrings, you want even the brand-new ring if you are trying to level a class 1-30.

Sure the fast method isn't always the fun method, but have you grinded blue mage levels by yourself? I have, its absolutely more boring than doing even PotD or HoH. Its much more fun when you have someone else around.

You can buy fragments from the market board, for really cheap I may add. Or you can exchange 1 Bozjan Cluster for 5 or 4 forgotten fragments.

Really cheap huh? So spending around 47,000 to 48,000 gil for a stack of 35 Fragments of Preperation on the marketboard (1200ish gil for each fragment w/o tax) is cheaper than just grouping up Tier 5 Lightning Sprites (or Tier 4 Water Sprites) over in the southern part of the map, and getting like 40 Fragments with Lightning or 30 with Water per pull? Oh and in general I am not just poking at Preparation on Mateus, the fragments in general are easily in the 800-6000 gil range per fragment here. Better off just saving up to buy a gabriel tbh if your gonna throw easily around a million gil minimum at the market board for earrings at least here on Mateus. Who knows, might be cheaper on another world but its still just cheaper and faster to do it yourself if you come prepared.

EDITED: It literally is 1000 to 2000 gil per fragment of preparation on all of crystal (w/o tax). And this is the easiest to farm fragment when your getting 30-40 of these. So we are looking at spending 1 million to 2 million (w/o tax) gil on a pair of earrings. Nevermind the others which do actually run the gambit for higher costs like 4000 or 6000 gil per fragment.