Revelations from Patch 5.3

[EdwinLi]

I've lost count, but this is our third Legion themed story arc now? We have Werlyt, Bozja, Zenos/Fandaniel. I wonder what they have planned going into 6.0? Going by the preview for 5.4 we visit Ishgard again, but that could be a red herring.

Well as of now the Garlean Empire is basically almost gone due to internal conflict for the right to rule, Legions are now splitting up into their own factions, Zeno's mindless slaughter of any resistance to the throne, and Civil War has engulfed most of Garlemald for areas around the Capital between Legions who do not acknowledge Zeno's rule. Even with Zeno control over the Capital, many other Legions are just trying to claim territory now and ignoring Zeno's new role as Emperor.

At this point all these side stories involving the Garlean Empire's Legions are more about finishing off the only remaining Garlean forces in the way of getting into Garlemald now. With Bozjan claimed by Map 3 of Save the Queen Storyline, they will finally have a Eastern side front to enter Garlemald with Doma and Resistance forces while on the Western side we have the Eorzea Alliance after they deal with the Weapons.

We can basically say the Legions are mostly Warlords at this point trying to claim their own territory and rights to rule over them.

IVth Imperial Legion follows Gabranth in the Eastern side of the push into Garlemald.

VIIIth Imperial Legion follows Valens van Varro in the Western side of the push into Garlemald.

Zenos has claimed the Captial but his progress will be shown through the MSQ in 5.4 to 5.55.

We can assume by 6.0 both Eastern and Western fronts will be taken no matter what regardless of the WoL participation in them or not due to how important both sides is required to claim their locations if they wish to finally attack the Garlean Empire at the heart of their Capital.

However, story wise I can only assume casualities may be reduced if WoL did take part in those efforts compared to WoL not being their causing them to sacrifice more soldiers since they don't have the Echo.

[Crushnight]

There are many ways to make us helpless too. Built up a real magical trap that binds us. Overwhelm us with numbers. Use a magical ability that will slow us down. Anything than just letting our character stand there, staring, while a machinist for example could just shoot rounds of bullets into her, before she can even reach anyone else. (Just like enemies or even friends that suddenly help us can do but of course not the main character) Tanks have gap closers, healers and BLM have sleep, summoners can use their egis and insta spells.

I mean why are we helping her? Why did we activate the crystal? Mikoto had no sword at ther throat..the crystal was not in the hand of the traitor anymore...yes she had a sword with she could use to slash people with but seeing how Mikoto later got hit by it but seemingly was quite fine I just dont understand how we did not simply run, or dash take the crystal while the rest attacks her..most of us there were soldiers, ready to give their lifes..why would we react so passive? And thanks to that Mikoto was fine but a whole bunch of other people got tempered and if the sudden visitor did not shot her, the rest would have been too..why? I just dont understand what she had over us at that point...

And I also dont understand that while we were in there (she had to be there too to grab the queen) the others did not at least surround her? And as soon as we all would be back they could have taken her down...Also why would taking her down while we are in there risk our lifes? We are the ones activating it and we are also the ones coming out of it on our own even with all the shadow in there.

It really took me out of it and destroyed the story for me. If she at least kept Mikoto with her the whole time...then I could understand that our character would hesitate (even if that still would have killed of all these other people in the end) but she was not in reach..heck she was far away that on of our friends could run to her, snatch her up and get her back to safety...

Possibly scene fixer

I think the entire issue with this scene could've been fixed if she simply had a gun in the other hand after punting Makoto away this would prevent any further actions on our part as Makoto's life would still be in immediate danger and we would comply properly.

We were holding back a tempering attempt so an ally shooting the primal vessel is fine by me but yes just before activating the crystal I openly thought "Why should I? You are not a threat nor is anyone I care about in harm's way"

[Kesey]

It does not have to come completely out of the blue. You can still give us some clues in the reacion of some characters. I mean seeing how people behaved towards her was a good reason to assume that she might be the traitor. I just dont find that it builds supsense, especially since I know that there will be a high chance that our character, bascially a near god right now, will just not react at all so that the plan can take place.

Well there were the soldiers that didn't trust her, but the WOL and core group leading the camp had no trust issues with her. The plight of those few soldiers isn't enough to not make it a surprise. Plus when you see her off screen for the first time betraying us it was handled in a way it wasn't clear if the betrayal was to us or to the empire. So when she ultimately betrays us, its makes sense from a logic stand point (because we have evidence) and an emotional stand point (because we know her true loyalty).

[Calixis]

About the Bozja story:

]Honestly I really wish that we would not see the traitor before they are revealed to our character. For me it would be really nice to really be surprised..and not knowing that our character is just walking into the next trap.

I think in this case it was done so as to avoid necessitating

Misija monologue her motivation/the Queen's backstory for a good ten minutes with the Blade at Mikoto's neck, rather than actual shock value. The initial twist lands when we see her being 'captured' and then allows her time to have a discussion, in a not-so-dangerous situation with her where we get the backstory/the truth of Gunnhildr and her supposed sacrifice. By the time there's a dramatic confrontation we've already got all the understanding we need as to her past and motivations for serving Garlemald (or at least Gabranth) and can focus on what her actual scheme is. It's less about facilitating a dramatic twist so much as establishing that this won't be a cut-and-dry case of plucky, unambiguously heroic freedom fighters swooping in to save the day with WoL.

On another note, easy to miss, but you can 'talk' (overhear) the three Resistance soldiers who were giving lip to Misija and their plan to have the common-born leaders killed once Bozja is liberated in order to reinstate the noble caste system. Misjia's remark about Bajsaljen being "one of the first to go" due to his optimism of creating a new, more equal Bozja with her is presumably referencing said nobility and their plans to stop his designs coming to fruition. No doubt they're going to prove a problem in the future storyline.

[EdwinLi]

On another note, easy to miss, but you can 'talk' (overhear) the three Resistance soldiers who were giving lip to Misija and their plan to have the common-born leaders killed once Bozja is liberated in order to reinstate the noble caste system. Misjia's remark about Bajsaljen being "one of the first to go" due to his optimism of creating a new, more equal Bozja with her is presumably referencing said nobility and their plans to stop his designs coming to fruition. No doubt they're going to prove a problem in the future storyline.

In a certain point of view, no matter what side Misjia chosen the conflict between common born and nobility will remain a issue. Gabranth is a leader with ideas to create a nation of equality as is the same with Bajsaljen but as of now the conflict is more about which nation will be in control of the region.

Once the dust settles and the region is claimed no matter who wins the Nobility of both sides will make their move to claim control. Gabranth may have people follow him because of his promise and shown actions of equality but even he knows some of his followers are only loyal by word and not actions once he is considered no longer useful just like how certain resistance members plan to betray Bajsaljen if they claim back their country since he will be considered no longer useful by then.

In a way betrayal by people within their own ranks is the running theme for the Save the Queen Storyline.

Queen Gunnhildr betrayed by people she thought that she could trust because of fear and not going through with the intended plans of the nobility.

Bajsaljen betrayed by Misjia because she lacks faith with his leadership and even members of the resistance already plans to betray him.

Gabranth's forces in a constant state of questioning who will stay loyal and who will not.

At the end of this road all we can do is try to "Save the Queen" from the betrayal of others and herself.

[Alleo]

I think in this case it was done so as to avoid necessitating

Misija monologue her motivation/the Queen's backstory for a good ten minutes with the Blade at Mikoto's neck, rather than actual shock value. The initial twist lands when we see her being 'captured' and then allows her time to have a discussion, in a not-so-dangerous situation with her where we get the backstory/the truth of Gunnhildr and her supposed sacrifice. By the time there's a dramatic confrontation we've already got all the understanding we need as to her past and motivations for serving Garlemald (or at least Gabranth) and can focus on what her actual scheme is. It's less about facilitating a dramatic twist so much as establishing that this won't be a cut-and-dry case of plucky, unambiguously heroic freedom fighters swooping in to save the day with WoL.

On another note, easy to miss, but you can 'talk' (overhear) the three Resistance soldiers who were giving lip to Misija and their plan to have the common-born leaders killed once Bozja is liberated in order to reinstate the noble caste system. Misjia's remark about Bajsaljen being "one of the first to go" due to his optimism of creating a new, more equal Bozja with her is presumably referencing said nobility and their plans to stop his designs coming to fruition. No doubt they're going to prove a problem in the future storyline.

Thanks for that information. So we can totally overhear them planning murder and we wont report that...

@Crushnight:

Yes its an easy way to keep Mikoto in danger and thus having us following what the other said. Instead there was imo no reason why we did anything other than kicking the traitors ass, especially since we had the numbers to back us up. (One could have easily gone an protected our friend while the rest went to fight)

[Calixis]

Thanks for that information. So we can totally overhear them planning murder and we wont report that...

My interpretation is that WoL's still walking towards them when we click on them and don't overhear it and only gets within ear shot when they notice him, otherwise WoL would just be comically idiotic. Story And Gameplay Segregation and all that. My favourite part is that all of immediately break into very generic, convincing, "You're the Warrior of Light! It's such an honour to fight beside you Blade [Name]!" that any other standing around NPC would say.

[EdwinLi]

Yes its an easy way to keep Mikoto in danger and thus having us following what the other said. Instead there was imo no reason why we did anything other than kicking the traitors ass, especially since we had the numbers to back us up. (One could have easily gone an protected our friend while the rest went to fight)

It is sadly not that simple in their current position.

They are short on soldiers due to being a small resistance group thus can't aford thinning their ranks right now. Also they are still loyal to the resistance until the war is over so Bajsaljen still need them to act as soldiers and they may not be lone in their plans to betray Bajsaljen once the war is over so waiting a bit longer to identify those who are with these three planned traitors is ideal.

No doubt Bajsaljen is already aware of their betrayal plans for a while as leadership goes with more than just loyal people but also those who only seek to use him for their own benefit only but due to how things are they can't risk putting in distrust among their own ranks in the middle of a war zone.

Reinforcements from Dalmasca Resistance are arriving soon but they just had a major loss due to the tempering of their Blades as well which each one are basically Commander Rank in the resistance due to their combat skills and leadership abilities

[Alleo]

@EdwinLi:

My point was not with these NPCs that you can overhear but with her itself in the castrum. She is alone, we are quite a few. It makes no sense to me why we cant overwhelm her. And with not doing anything we just have lost very valuable soldiers. Soldiers that now will be used to kill their comrades.

[EdwinLi]

@EdwinLi:

My point was not with these NPCs that you can overhear but with her itself in the castrum. She is alone, we are quite a few. It makes no sense to me why we cant overwhelm her. And with not doing anything we just have lost very valuable soldiers. Soldiers that now will be used to kill their comrades.

This was a hostage situation. You don't risk the life of the hostage unless you are 100% certain you can save the hostage and capture or kill the hostage taker especially when the hostage taker has a weapon at the throat of the hostage where they can instantly kill the hostage within seconds before anyone can act or give the hostage taker reason to kill the hostage.

The goal is to save the hostage and not get the hostage killed.

They could have charged Misjia but then Mikoto would have been killed before they can get to Misjia. Also, if you want to mention the dive into the memory shard moment, they mentioned disrupting even one of them will greatly harm the others that joined the person mentally due to the process of how that memory jump works.

Yes Misjia would have been killed or captured but at the cost of Mikoto's life which goes against their objective being to save Mikoto.