Why does everyone want Chemist as a new job?

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

I don't I really think its a stupid ideal to add more tech based things.. more so when chemist already exist as a profession... should get something more awesome and unique with magic/tools than just throwing potions and stuff

[ADVSS]

You know what? I dont really care what the healers get anymore, i dont heal since SB anyway. Thread topic: Why does everyone want Chemist to be a new healer job. The answers: A non magical damage healing class, not stuck in robes, offering a different type of play style, instead of being a caster like the other 3, with a different aesthetic. Other people: I dont want Chemist because it will be a clone of whm. What would be new and exciting is a caster, in white robes with many spells, like whm, ast, and sch. Patch 6.0 forum topic day one in healer roles: Why are all 4 healers exactly like whm?

[Absurdity]

Because we need another healer and it would be nice to finally have a physical one instead of all magic/mage/mystical. It would be something different. Why not?

Because they most likely won't be able to make it different enough mechanically. Sure, it's gonna have different sparkly effects but if it plays as every other healer currently does then it's not gonna be more interesting than what we already have.

[Seraphor]

Because they most likely won't be able to make it different enough mechanically. Sure, it's gonna have different sparkly effects but if it plays as every other healer currently does then it's not gonna be more interesting than what we already have.

This is a fallacy though.
"They can't make anything different so they shouldn't even bother."
If they never make another healer, then of course they'll never make anything different.

[Reaperking386]

I don't think we need a new job class concerning tanks or healers in general. We need a healthy balance of dps/healers/ tanks. The question is more: Why do we need a new healer class?

[Absurdity]

This is a fallacy though.
"They can't make anything different so they shouldn't even bother."
If they never make another healer, then of course they'll never make anything different.

Call it a fallacy if you want to, I don't care. Fact is that the current 3 healers we got suffer from the same general issues and more issues specific to each job with no changes in sight or even acknowledgement from the devs that a problem exists. The expansion is already over a year old and there has been no attempt to change this, call me cynical but I'm not getting my hopes up that this will magically improve just because they add a 4th one.


The newly added healer will throw out strong oGCD healing while keeping their 1 dot up and spamming their 1 dps button for 60+% of a fight, with some GCD single target and aoe heals to fall back on if needed. Whether those come in the form of elemental magics or alchemical phials will change the look of the job but not it's general gameplay. Maybe it will have some unique mechanic like AST but it can neither be too complicated or people will complain nor too strong or it will upset their important balance.



If I'm proven to be wrong with 6.0 then all the better.

[Ilenya]

I don't think we need a new job class concerning tanks or healers in general. We need a healthy balance of dps/healers/ tanks. The question is more: Why do we need a new healer class?

4 Tanks, 3 healers, 10 DPS (3 casters, 4 melee, 3 ranged).

So why do you think we don't need more healers? Was this a serious comment?

Also. Most recent DPS? Dancer in Shadowbringers, July 9, 2019.
Most recent Melee and Magic DPS? Red Mage and Samurai, Stormblood, June 20, 2017.
Most recent tank? Gunbreaker, Shadowbringers, see date above.
Most recent healer? Astrologian, Heavensward, June 23, 2015.

So, again. Do you think Healers just...Don't deserve anything new?

I don't I really think its a stupid ideal to add more tech based things.. more so when chemist already exist as a profession... should get something more awesome and unique with magic/tools than just throwing potions and stuff

Once again, taking comments like this with the assumption you don't actually have anything of value to add. "Oh, a DoH exists, therefore it can't be a DoW/M" Get down off your high horse.

[Rai_Takara]

People need to remember that Chemist could also end up as a Ranged DPS and not assume it's a healer. Same thing happened with dancer and look what happened.

Personally, I'm unsure if Chemist will come. Sure in HW it was thought of as a potential item healer but then AST won out, but similarly it's possible that the way Chemist is envisioned by the devs will not be possible in this game as is. It might end up as a limited job like BLU.

Also want to make sure people do understand that if somehow Chemist does arrive as a healer, it won't be any different than the other healers like other people have mentioned. It never will be after the homogenization that was, rightfully, necessary to further add healing and tanking jobs.

[Shougun]

People need to remember that Chemist could also end up as a Ranged DPS and not assume it's a healer. Same thing happened with dancer and look what happened.

Personally, I'm unsure if Chemist will come. Sure in HW it was thought of as a potential item healer but then AST won out, but similarly it's possible that the way Chemist is envisioned by the devs will not be possible in this game as is. It might end up as a limited job like BLU.

Also want to make sure people do understand that if somehow Chemist does arrive as a healer, it won't be any different than the other healers like other people have mentioned. It never will be after the homogenization that was, rightfully, necessary to further add healing and tanking jobs.

Technically we've had a number of jobs teased (not excluding other expansions), some equally to Chemist in terms of teasing level, some way less so but still exist, so I wouldn't bet significant matters on Chemist but I think it's one of the entirely likely options.

That said now that I've spoken that it might mean they'll not do it lol- it appears to me Yoshida doesn't like being too determine-able or having to do something simply because people said it has to be done (partly my observation, partly using his own words on a few different occasions- like that he said he's a contrarian, not that he will always go against something but saying he has to do something makes him sometimes think the opposite, or that while he understands consistency is good he also struggles with it because it can then mean it might get boring, not sure I'd say 'trickster' but maybe 'boxer'?).

Just means to me Chemist, and Geomancer I think, would both be pretty safe bets given all the things going on, but really anything is possible given our long history of hints and I think also the growing flexibility the team is showing (like our recent stories exampling some what dark / questionable concepts, without turning us into a super villain at least lol- one of the biggest hurdles for a dark job would be if the team showed they were unwillingly to make a situation where you wield something wild and ride out the situation as best you could, in the Dark Knight quest line and in ShB they showed they were willing to do that so most doors are open at this point given someone willing to write in enough compelling details (which funnily enough is from the same person <3).

What I think would be wild is if Chemist becomes limited and we get some other jobs instead that no one expected lol, I would have my "oh wot" face on XD. Huge wot face is nothing is healer( O_O @_@ ). Potentially hyper excited if it was a dark and or transformation job though, do my little tippy tap dance or something lol.

[Crushnight]

I don't think we need a new job class concerning tanks or healers in general. We need a healthy balance of dps/healers/ tanks. The question is more: Why do we need a new healer class?

Last tank added prior to Gnb in 2019 was Drk for HW in 2015
Last melee dps added was Sam in 2017, before that was Nin in 2014 with patch 2.4
Last caster added was Rdm in 2017 before that was Smn in 2.0 2013
Last physical ranged added prior to Dnc in 2019 was Mch in 2015
Last healer added was Ast in 2015

I think healers have been patient enough for a new job in their category especially since it would be over 6 years since the last one, if they go for 8 years due to balance problems again, it will be a meme of incompetence on their part as it would be the 3rd expansion in a row to use that excuse which does not look good for any developer.

Chm if comes as a healer will have 1 set of AF gear tailored to it and the rest of gear sets will be designed around Whm like 95% every other expansion where Sch and Ast get the odd 1 set tailored more to their aesthetic. I mean look at Gnb and Dnc has anything been tailored to them first at all this expansion? Certainly not for Dnc.

So enjoy your robes if chemist gets added they ain't going anywhere.

As for the homogenization of tanks and healers, some was needed to allow clearer fight Design, ShB went above and beyond what was needed into unnecessary levels of homogenization that it hurt more jobs than it helped.